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In reply to the discussion: White House Dares EU Leaders to Rat On United States in Morales Flyover Affair [View all]flamingdem
(39,313 posts)65. This sounds routine, sad that "reporters" want to turn it into an incident nt
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White House Dares EU Leaders to Rat On United States in Morales Flyover Affair [View all]
wtmusic
Jul 2013
OP
You would need to supply just 1 piece of evidence that the US dictated anything to any country
flamingdem
Jul 2013
#1
Psst--Evo Morales signed a trade deal with Iran this week. And the Egyptian military....
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#2
Following the money leads to more answers than not--but it is amusing to watch the poutrage
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#7
I didn't want to see it at first but the statements by the Bolivian ministers were ridiculous
flamingdem
Jul 2013
#13
Given the rise it got out of you, I suspect that the 'follow the money' approach is where Occam's
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#24
Thank you! I've been accused of fabricating the Iranian trade deal. Now, correct me if I am wrong,
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#44
I'm glad to see the attempts at free trade!! Aren't you glad to see another OPEC like
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#114
Yes--because Putin's organization is going to do that? He just wants a piece of the pie. nt
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#174
See, your post is one of those valuable nuggests nestled into the rest of DU. I think we argue
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#151
You are quite welcome. I tend to take a fairly cynical view when politicians bang the table. I
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#154
Why shouldn't he sign deals with Iran, or any other country he wants to?? What is
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#222
Two things. The state dept is absolutely refusing to answer whether they were involved in it.
morningfog
Jul 2013
#11
This sounds routine, sad that "reporters" want to turn it into an incident nt
flamingdem
Jul 2013
#65
#1. "reportedly said" is NOT a direct quote. #2. you seem to imagine that as the Bolivian president
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#156
Yes, linked to a tweet by Austrian broadcast journalist Tanja Malle who was right there
magellan
Jul 2013
#167
See my post #2--It's Evo's money trail. I'd saber rattle before I answered questions about Iran,
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#8
Indeed--but UN members are obliged to follow sanction regimes. Follow the money. nt
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#30
Dude--they can transfer the technology, but if the Iranians can't get paid due to the double whammy
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#52
When you can point me to the American air-traffic controller, or the diplomat, or the
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#76
LOL, if you are so familiar with it, post links to the laws and to the court decisions that
stevenleser
Jul 2013
#120
I would generally say yes. I have to look up the specifics on that. But that assumes several things
stevenleser
Jul 2013
#110
Nope, my contentions have to do with something else entirely. Nice try though! LMAO!!!!
stevenleser
Jul 2013
#123
Nope, you are still not addressing my initial points after multiple tries!
stevenleser
Jul 2013
#135
What do US banking sanctions have to do with transfer of funds by Bolivia?
Spider Jerusalem
Jul 2013
#81
ahem--then you haven't been paying attention. OFAC has effectively shut down the Iranian
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#98
Which affects a direct transfer of funds from BOLIVIA to IRAN, how, exactly?
Spider Jerusalem
Jul 2013
#105
That's correct. It's up to those other countries to decide what they want to do, which is my point.
stevenleser
Jul 2013
#33
And five EU countries simultainiously decided to deny Morales airspace...
HooptieWagon
Jul 2013
#111
Precious few are so privileged as to be able to commit an act/acts of war with impunity and have no
indepat
Jul 2013
#218
Not if they denied transit subsequent to a direct request from the USA, it isn't
Spider Jerusalem
Jul 2013
#94
It's a pretty big leap. Particularly considering that these countries are happy to tell us to jump
stevenleser
Jul 2013
#103
By "international criminal" I meant one not currently in the place where the warrant was issued.
stevenleser
Jul 2013
#35
We wouldn't use a red notice on Snowden--we don't recognize the red notice as giving
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#164
No--but I can read the DOJ regs on use of Interpol. I had a question, looked it up. It was news
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#173
Did I say it was irrelevant? I am sure if it has a role to play, it will. nt
msanthrope
Jul 2013
#181
Nope, I am not kidding. If Air Force One travels through another country's airspace it has to obey
stevenleser
Jul 2013
#25
Are you saying that China does not have the sovereignty over its airspace and waters to do so?
stevenleser
Jul 2013
#55
None involving the US, that is correct, that is my contention. I can perhaps understand
stevenleser
Jul 2013
#57
LMAO If I'm so wrong, provide me the facts that say so. You are hilarious.
stevenleser
Jul 2013
#115
I havent made an inconsistent point yet. I'll repost my initial contention again for you.
stevenleser
Jul 2013
#130
its interesting how comfortable people get when they build callouses to the chains they wear
galileoreloaded
Jul 2013
#23
That's a cute post that happens to say nothing factual or specific. Like I said, cute. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2013
#28
at issue is that you cant even see the issue. you are owned, outright. i dont blame you. nt
galileoreloaded
Jul 2013
#38
At issue is that you can't come up with a single fact to support you, after multiple posts. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2013
#53
No, your mistake was attempting to engage when you had no facts to support you. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2013
#66
I stand on my points. The US made a perfectly normal request. Can you prove otherwise?
stevenleser
Jul 2013
#64
LOL, your assertion involves multiple layers for which you have no proof or even semblence of facts.
stevenleser
Jul 2013
#92
I'm one of those strange people that likes facts to back up accusations. I know, weird, right?
stevenleser
Jul 2013
#104
If you're so convinced of that, provide me the facts that inform your opinion.
stevenleser
Jul 2013
#113
the best part of this discussion is that you VEHEMENTLY denied any US involvement yesterday..
frylock
Jul 2013
#213
1. U.S. has egg on it's face is the big one - so much for their Total Information Awareness. 2.
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jul 2013
#58
They haven't gotten past the whole "It ain't real until we say so." thing.
Spitfire of ATJ
Jul 2013
#184
What's funny is when they all agree on something that's total fiction,...
Spitfire of ATJ
Jul 2013
#187
declining to say whether American Authorities had asked other countries to deny airspace
cali
Jul 2013
#12
If they had asked it's very possible any one of five countries could have ratted them out
flamingdem
Jul 2013
#17
the WH statement is as classic an example of a non-admission admission as you could
cali
Jul 2013
#61
She explained that they've been in contact with the countries involved in possible asylum nt
flamingdem
Jul 2013
#93
"Psaki, declined to say whether American authorities had asked other countries to deny airspace" n/t
PoliticAverse
Jul 2013
#29
The White House has nothing whatsoever to lose from outright denial if they are not responsible.
sibelian
Jul 2013
#46
Couple that with the nations involved saying they "will neither confirm nor deny" US pressure.
morningfog
Jul 2013
#62
Hah! The silence of the administration is the equivalent as the admission of guilt!
Buzz Clik
Jul 2013
#74
The US AMBASSADOR to Austria called Austria's Foreign Department to report Snowden was on board
Catherina
Jul 2013
#155
Ambassadors don't have the pull to ask their hostOp country to detain and inspect ano
HooptieWagon
Jul 2013
#199
"I would point you to (European govts) to describe why they made descisions, if they made decisions"
Jack Rabbit
Jul 2013
#176
Am I the only one to look at that picture and consider the media there WANTS this story?
Spitfire of ATJ
Jul 2013
#177
I don't think President Obama instructed our allies to deny Morales's airplane flyover and
Cleita
Jul 2013
#190
Of course he did. That is not a decision an Ambassador can independantly make.
HooptieWagon
Jul 2013
#201
Yes, but he was allowed to land in Austria and refuel. No one refused the plane to fly
Cleita
Jul 2013
#209
I would think that commandeering a plane with a head of state on board is an act of war
Jack Rabbit
Jul 2013
#214
The only diplomatic blunder I refer to is delaying Prsident Morales' flight in this manner
Jack Rabbit
Jul 2013
#217