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Pholus

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1. Huh, first direct statement that Italy DID deny the airspace.

Thu Jul 4, 2013, 07:43 AM

Jul 2013

"Officials said that as a new flight plan was being drawn up, Italy also denied permission for Mr. Morales’s plane to use its airspace."

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NYT: Barring of Bolivian Plane Infuriates Latin America as Snowden Case Widens [View all] dkf Jul 2013 OP

Huh, first direct statement that Italy DID deny the airspace. Pholus Jul 2013 #1

France has apologised too dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #3

Absolutely, but the other countries were staying vague. Pholus Jul 2013 #4

Portugal has also admitted that they refused landing, but not airspace. morningfog Jul 2013 #10

"The White House got involved and everyone did their bidding." Bolo Boffin Jul 2013 #50

The world is not a zero sum place. It is not all or nothing. morningfog Jul 2013 #55

Yes, I know why the trade talks are on the chopping block. Bolo Boffin Jul 2013 #56

He was in Belgium, I think. MADem Jul 2013 #27

Just think about ALL the problems that would have been avoided Pholus Jul 2013 #30

And you know this because a thief who is falling apart in front of the world suggested it? nt MADem Jul 2013 #39

It's far too late and insulting to pretend that this is all Snowden's fabrication. Pholus Jul 2013 #54

How condescending and completely Imperialistic of them to think that an intelligent man sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #43

White European leader? Gee, I thought everyone was blaming the black American one here! MADem Jul 2013 #44

You are wrong. Bolivia was asked, right before this flight, whether they might grant sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #46

Uh OH..... Your Catholic.Org and South China Morning Post cites are ....er...not operative. MADem Jul 2013 #47

And that folks, is what we call: Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #51

I am so enjoying this. THAT folks, was in fact a HUGE error, corrected today sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #79

The Guardian got something wrong? Quelle Surprise! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #80

What? The Guardian article came from the AP. The Guardian has made plenty of sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #81

Longtime posters are starting to crack up over recent events. Rex Jul 2013 #82

Great. Now find that poll that says Europe is love with Dennis Kucinich. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #83

Changing the subject? Where's MY applause and the little roly poly guy? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #84

Link? An "online poll"? When did you make this up? And why didn't you say that.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #88

Lol, he 'regrets'the incident with Europe, but believes Europe should free itself from sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #57

My source is the wonderful, praised, Glenn Greenwald's can-do-no-wrong platform.... MADem Jul 2013 #58

Why would I be mad at you? Especially when I'm right and you're wrong! Lol! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #78

LOL!!! nt MADem Jul 2013 #85

nail on the head Sabrina mitchtv Jul 2013 #77

This is an accurate take on what happened, people here are still citing early reports flamingdem Jul 2013 #68

"The White House declined to comment on whether the American government had anything to do with sibelian Jul 2013 #2

Uh-oh racist paulbot obama haters have occupied the NYT. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #5

Getting up off the floor malaise Jul 2013 #9

K&R idwiyo Jul 2013 #6

International bullying. 99Forever Jul 2013 #7

The Snowden case? burnodo Jul 2013 #8

Stop and frisk the brown guy. reusrename Jul 2013 #16

Yep. Even if he's the President of a sovereign country... socialist_n_TN Jul 2013 #22

Yes, he is a socialist, in the best sense of the word, democratically elected, not installed like sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #25

Wrong, actually no, this enters the class of so wrong intaglio Jul 2013 #11

'Outrage addiction'. Well put. randome Jul 2013 #13

I am being non-committal on Snowden here. longship Jul 2013 #14

And you've pulled all this from where? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #15

Started with Kos intaglio Jul 2013 #31

+1,000 nt MADem Jul 2013 #45

Thanks for that link n/t flamingdem Jul 2013 #69

A tech stop for fuel was scheduled in Portugal and they were not allowed to fly there. reusrename Jul 2013 #17

A tech stop is planned intaglio Jul 2013 #32

Portugal was refusing permission to land, not entry into their airspace, afaict. reusrename Jul 2013 #38

We have countries saying their airspace was indeed closed nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #19

And no attempt to check the plane for Snowden? That's the smoking gun. dkf Jul 2013 #24

"France did not deny this aircraft access to its airspace" - apparently they did PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #26

Emphasis mine intaglio Jul 2013 #34

Confirming that they weren't granted permission initially as was Morales' claim. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #36

Also....Austria said that inspecting the passports of passengers is standard procedure Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #28

Yeah, I bet they do that with every head of state whose plane lands in Vienna! markpkessinger Jul 2013 #49

Even Morales said he regretted offering Snowden asylum. MADem Jul 2013 #40

So now the NY Times is making shit up . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #48

^^^^^^^^^^ Good summary Intaglio, thank you flamingdem Jul 2013 #70

I'm not sure which bothers me the most about this incident... malthaussen Jul 2013 #12

The stupidity of the deniers is starting to bother me a little. reusrename Jul 2013 #18

Only a Paulbot would deny that Morales drove his plane from Moscow to Austria bobduca Jul 2013 #20

Thanks, I missed that one. Hilarity. reusrename Jul 2013 #21

It's not stupidity... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Jul 2013 #29

I do so agree intaglio Jul 2013 #35

You mean people who actually look at the evidence intaglio Jul 2013 #33

I am talking about someone so stupid that they believe a jet doesn't need fuel. reusrename Jul 2013 #37

Even more staggeringly stupid are those who believe that five countries sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #86

If John Kerry wasn't involved in this, then wouldn't someone be fired already? reusrename Jul 2013 #87

Nice bon mot! - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #42

K&R. (nt) Kurovski Jul 2013 #41

By way of retaliation for this "...grave offense to their entire region..." the entire region bike man Jul 2013 #52

Thank You. I keep asking what their being "pissed off" really means in... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #53

It's misery everytime I read one of your posts. ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #59

"Love and Hip Hop"? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #60

Love and Basketball is that better? ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #63

I think I've allowed you to take up enough of my time. "Love and Hip Hop" indeed. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #64

Indeed! *diot! ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #65

"*diot"? Namecalling? Very clever. Perhaps you haven't read the TOS. You're allowed to call.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #71

As Martin Luther King said.. ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #73

For all your flowery rhetoric, I wonder how many people MLK called an "idiot"? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #75

I'm not actually speaking to you in a literal sense... ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #76

Bolivia has >50% of the world's lithium reserves. Electric cars, maybe? AlinPA Jul 2013 #61

Who has the other 50%? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #62

Chile (most current production), China, Argentina, few others. AlinPA Jul 2013 #66

I read an article that said Afghanistan might have the largest reserves, but we aren't beholden to.. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #67

Yep. Money means a lot. Bolivia has a lot of lithium in the ground, not any large production yet AlinPA Jul 2013 #74

In the cold war, this could have been WWIII markiv Jul 2013 #72