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HiPointDem

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129. no. that barack obama became the first black president is simply a matter of timing. someone

Wed Jul 3, 2013, 09:25 PM

Jul 2013

would be first, he was there with backers when the party decided to run a black candidate (which itself was a product of political calculations). the rarity has nothing in particular to do with BO's specialness, it's a product of history.

as for people coming out of harvard law & becoming senators, presidents, whatever -- it happens often enough to fill the limited slots.

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Du ... Let me ask you a question ... [View all] 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 OP

KnR. Great analogy. Link Speed Jul 2013 #1

no we arent Liberal_in_LA Jul 2013 #3

we can do more than just vote, look at the women in texas, Liberal_in_LA Jul 2013 #2

Well, this is a Representative Democracy. So we can try and persuade elected representatives KittyWampus Jul 2013 #11

Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #12

when it comes to laws/policy ... THEY have the vote we have the voice. Herlong Jul 2013 #148

there is no representative government without a trustworthy information broker, and there is HiPointDem Jul 2013 #45

It is also knoqn as 2naSalit Jul 2013 #30

That is why I trust President Obama 100%. He might not be right 100 out of 100, but he knows more graham4anything Jul 2013 #4

"and he is smarter than me" leftstreet Jul 2013 #8

You spelled God wrong in an incomplete sentence with no period. n/t Whisp Jul 2013 #10

I would wager that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #16

dont you know? Intelligence is bad. sigmasix Jul 2013 #42

Yes. Sigh, if only Adlai had won in 1952 and 1956 and not the ruthless military leader that did. graham4anything Jul 2013 #52

another gag-inducing comment. i see no evidence that obama is 'smarter' than me or HiPointDem Jul 2013 #48

Harvard Law ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #59

you know who else was editor of harvard law review? phyllis schlafly's son andrew. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #79

Yes, but none of the others were ALL of those things, I think is the point. October Jul 2013 #107

why do those items = super-intelligence, i think is the point. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #122

If for no other reason ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #126

no. that barack obama became the first black president is simply a matter of timing. someone HiPointDem Jul 2013 #129

Do you really want to argue that? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #144

um, you can't tell the difference between "that BHO became the first black president is simply HiPointDem Jul 2013 #149

Okay n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #171

I was merely pointing it out... October Jul 2013 #175

thing is though, those others also have other accomplishments. joe mccarthy for example, had HiPointDem Jul 2013 #176

And your point? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #125

i doubt it. the general population is average, and so is the political establishment. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #130

I don't know Schafly's son ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #133

uhh gee knoew HiPointDem Jul 2013 #138

There you go showing ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #142

So maybe those people were smart too treestar Jul 2013 #146

maybe they were, which is why the meme of 'smartness' is completely beside the point. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #150

Oh please. Obama is in the Oval Office. You are posting here. treestar Jul 2013 #71

george bush 1 & 2 were in the oval office too. being in the oval office doesn't mean someone HiPointDem Jul 2013 #74

They were members of the privileged class treestar Jul 2013 #86

his mother worked for usaid under tim geithner's dad. his grandmother was a bank president. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #96

How the fuck was his mother and grandmother equivalent to something like the Bush family? BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #98

bank of hawaii = not some local bank. i didn't say the dunhams were equivalent to the bushes. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #119

That's nothing compared to being a Bush. treestar Jul 2013 #110

it's not about *me*. it's about the assumption that political leaders are 'smarter' than the people. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #120

What? treestar Jul 2013 #145

every human being has intelligence. academic intelligence is only one kind of intelligence & it's HiPointDem Jul 2013 #154

just rolling in dough and applications for the Skull & bones. Whisp Jul 2013 #159

straw man much? obama has been repeatedly painted as the poor black son of an unwed mother HiPointDem Jul 2013 #160

If that is what you are going to gripe about - Whisp Jul 2013 #162

another straw man. i don't care whether he was poor or rich or working class, i care about HiPointDem Jul 2013 #163

And I don't care what you care about. Whisp Jul 2013 #164

and as i said, no surprise there. there's a whole lot you don't care about that most ordinary HiPointDem Jul 2013 #165

I'd imagine that petulantly denying the relative intelligence of another person LanternWaste Jul 2013 #116

projection. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #121

Shhh ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #75

" i see no evidence that obama is 'smarter' than me" ecstatic Jul 2013 #143

'or most people'. i don't privilege myself. intelligence is not a 'ranking'. but your statement HiPointDem Jul 2013 #155

I would wager that he is not. I would wager that few politicians are smarter than the average sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #66

BULLSHIT ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #68

Bullshit yourself. Speak for yourself, don't presume to speak for others. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #70

Bullshit! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #72

Not impressing you is not a sign of lack of intelligence treestar Jul 2013 #88

four words: mitt romney, harvard law. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #97

This one is. treestar Jul 2013 #111

It's a conservative position to assume power is 'smarter'. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #115

Do you now ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #136

i'm not a bit uncomfortable, as the whole issue of 'smartness' is a big freaking joke. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #137

A joke ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #141

it has nothing to do with him being black. it has to do with him being a politician and president. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #151

Okay 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #173

it leads me to no uncomfortable places, as i do not have the problem of thinking black people HiPointDem Jul 2013 #153

okay 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #174

....poster tends to repeatedly talk in terms of anecdotals Sheepshank Jul 2013 #113

lol. anyone who's followed my posts knows better. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #157

you're so vain...... Sheepshank Jul 2013 #178

not vain at all. anyone who has actually followed my posts knows that i post a great deal of hard HiPointDem Jul 2013 #179

You're so vain....You probably thought my post was about you Sheepshank Jul 2013 #181

no, just an misreading. please do continue your regularly scheduled personal attacks. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #182

Thank you ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #135

What DO you call a Black Mississippi doctor? Herlong Jul 2013 #147

"Ni@@er" n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #170

WOW Herlong Jul 2013 #177

I can't believe that you've never heard that. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #180

Again - he is more intelligent than average JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #134

I would wager you are wrong. treestar Jul 2013 #87

+1 JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #102

I KNOW he's smarter than me and that used to make me happy tularetom Jul 2013 #103

he's certainly smart enough hfojvt Jul 2013 #169

+1000 baldguy Jul 2013 #9

you should NEVER trust a politician 100% Skittles Jul 2013 #27

I spent my younger years doing nothing more than watching the debates kas125 Jul 2013 #43

gag. i can't explain how gag-inducing those comments are without name-calling. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #46

When everyone who runs for top office is an employee of the plutonomy Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #5

IOW ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #18

I believe the Greeks utilized a form of participatory horizontal democracy at some point Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #54

That only works for very very small populations. Plus the ancient Greeks excluded most of it.... Hekate Jul 2013 #55

Thanks for that but I believe =we can do it better= and include everyone. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #56

There you go again ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #61

LOL The Greeks had some great ideas, but shoot, that business about "pure" democracy Hekate Jul 2013 #84

I think you and Fire Walk both missed something important. Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #118

The real problem is that there is nothing in a single liberal democratic constitution about malaise Jul 2013 #62

No leaders or representatives? Even the little towns in Vermont with their town halls pnwmom Jul 2013 #92

I believe this corrupt government is a real, present danger and that we as a people Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #93

We the people include too many idiots who are voting the corrupt people in. pnwmom Jul 2013 #95

I think you may mean "We the people who agree with me." MineralMan Jul 2013 #104

You said: "After watching this site devolve into high partisan madness" BlueJazz Jul 2013 #6

I agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #20

Good post DontTreadOnMe Jul 2013 #7

They are anti-Obama no matter what. It says nothing about the legitimacy of the various positions. GoneFishin Jul 2013 #21

We elect them, but we advocate for what we elected them for too. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #13

Last paragraph is the key for me... NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #14

My vote and support has to be earned. That's all. Everything else is bullshit... Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #15

Interesting... justification for spying, but I say, if they can do it, why can't we? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #17

There may be times for cynicism towards certain politicians treestar Jul 2013 #19

If we have a choice between Obama and Romney, that's and easy choice, even if Obama is not perfect! DrewFlorida Jul 2013 #22

Really. The most we can do is vote? What an idiot that Martin Luther King was... Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #23

+1000 eom Purveyor Jul 2013 #26

But ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #28

Much of white America needed exposure to MLK and the civil rights movement... Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #32

You're missing the point ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #35

MLK opened a nation's eyes to the reality of institutional and every day racism. Snowden is opening Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #39

Good thing our secrets only protect us and are NEVER misused... Pholus Jul 2013 #58

I've noticed ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #24

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me again, shame on me. Fool me again, shame on me again. GoneFishin Jul 2013 #25

All of that analogy is based on the various misrepresentations of the NSA issue I have seen here... stevenleser Jul 2013 #29

My aim is to clear the board and make it transparent for all to see. Zorra Jul 2013 #31

I wouldn't play that game of chess. Brewinblue Jul 2013 #33

But we are! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #41

It took me a while to get the analogy, Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #34

To say that his shift to the right is only because of congress is missing one big part Marrah_G Jul 2013 #37

+1. also, he had a democratic majority in the early part of his presidency, at which time HiPointDem Jul 2013 #50

perpetuation and alluding to a lie, I see. Sheepshank Jul 2013 #114

there was a democratic majority in congress 2007-2011. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #117

and just how does this work without a filibuster proof Senate? Sheepshank Jul 2013 #124

seems to work ok for the republicans. i'm not going to rehash that red herring, you know it's HiPointDem Jul 2013 #128

sure...ok haa haa haa n/t Sheepshank Jul 2013 #131

keep laughing; nobody believes the propaganda anymore. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #132

That is exactly my point ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #40

Yes. And in engaging in confirmation bias to this degree, the paranoia is stoked by Skidmore Jul 2013 #91

And ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #127

+1. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #90

I agree about voting for the one we trust the most Marrah_G Jul 2013 #36

Trust is over rated. nt limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #38

what you say is true until you get to "the most we can do is vote for the person/party that we HiPointDem Jul 2013 #44

Why are we doing this? DeSwiss Jul 2013 #47

governments act when they are pressured to act. FDR carried out the New Deal when pressure was on to Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #49

+1 HiPointDem Jul 2013 #51

+1 Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #60

Yes. Even "good" leaders act under public pressure, or not at all. DirkGently Jul 2013 #123

I don't trust any of them, LWolf Jul 2013 #53

I like your story enough to continue it... Pholus Jul 2013 #57

Excellent! scarletwoman Jul 2013 #63

I think you've caught it. immoderate Jul 2013 #81

Nicely done... sibelian Jul 2013 #105

Let me make it easier for you....."Vote for the lesser of two evils!". Dumb. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #64

And yet we choose ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #65

And as long as you do it, and do not demand more, you will keep getting crap candidates. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #67

Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #73

Wonder why they could never win? Think about it! n-t Logical Jul 2013 #76

I agree with you RainDog Jul 2013 #69

Democrats ARE voting to dismantle the social safety net. already happening. been happening. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #82

God that is a horrible view of civics. Literally, fascist. DirkGently Jul 2013 #77

No, not literally fascist, just realistic. You're literally wrong. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #89

"Elect a leader then shut up?" Fascist. Period. DirkGently Jul 2013 #112

fascist. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #140

Because some people want to have a version of our own "purity" test that the Rightwingers use... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #78

It's not so much that we can't see the board. sibelian Jul 2013 #80

You lost me at "chess" MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #83

You lost me with the trust part mick063 Jul 2013 #85

"Let the Tea Party shell shock the nation into sanity." sibelian Jul 2013 #94

+1000. The sincere apologists (not the pros) are misguided, and like parents that won't GoneFishin Jul 2013 #100

You can fight to get more trustworthy candidates. Senators Warren or Wyden, for example muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #99

Well if you put it that way.... lunatica Jul 2013 #101

Fire your advisor. Hire a new one. nt. NCTraveler Jul 2013 #106

I don't play chess. kentauros Jul 2013 #108

K & R Myrina Jul 2013 #109

I am not the best cheerleader. Herlong Jul 2013 #139

It's just a message board. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #152

The set up makes the conclusion kind of silly. Even if the game isn't rigged, one has to assume it TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #156

Well said... kentuck Jul 2013 #158

This is an internet forum, you expect gold from air. Rex Jul 2013 #161

Because maybe you can reach one more mind? Maybe you can change a mind? Maybe you can silvershadow Jul 2013 #166

Excellent point, but missed by those who... TreasonousBastard Jul 2013 #167

If you think voting is the only way to effect political change.... nolabels Jul 2013 #168

not good enough for me anymore. The all work for the 1% now and have shown themselves to be liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #172

Not sure what you're getting at here. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #183

In a word ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #184