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Marr

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4. I'd never considered the DLC/Corporate Democrats' cost to our country in terms of foreign allies.

Tue Jul 2, 2013, 04:35 PM

Jul 2013

But it makes sense that such politics would erode the goodwill of our allies over time. We don't even have the good cop/bad cop angle going anymore-- just one unabashedly corporate stooge after another.

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Obama And The Crumbling Of A Liberal Fantasy Hero [View all] Purveyor Jul 2013 OP

He tried to close gitmo but are illustrious congress prevented it. As for the Europeans, people in still_one Jul 2013 #1

No, he tried to secure funding to open a new super max on US soil to relocate Gitmo TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #44

He failed to close Gitmo. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #178

He didn't want to close Gitmo. Our bipartisan Congress saved his face. merrily Jul 2013 #244

Most of the prisoners cleared for release are Yemeni. merrily Jul 2013 #243

Woo hoo! It's the 'Obama gets a pass because he's black' angle! CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #2

The ability to tell nineteen50 Jul 2013 #28

That's deep, man. Really Number23 Jul 2013 #106

And their arrogant first cousins, chervilant Jul 2013 #159

Yes, but the news in the article is . . . caseymoz Jul 2013 #57

Senator Obama worked on antinuclear programs, but you probably don't care Kolesar Jul 2013 #205

Harder than others who didn't receive the Nobel Prize? caseymoz Jul 2013 #210

Well Done, Sir. bvar22 Jul 2013 #223

Obama's worst nightmare was winning the Nobel Peace Prize LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #227

Meanwhile, IF he was a white Republican he'd be on Mt.Rushmore by now. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #145

Yep, Bin Laden is dead, all right. merrily Jul 2013 #246

Race does not belong in that sentence. merrily Jul 2013 #245

"More important would be the broken promise to close the Guantánamo detension centre.." Cha Jul 2013 #3

You should see the comments on the article. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #15

Just because you vote for him it nineteen50 Jul 2013 #49

Sure, the whole world just imagined that... but he just promised to do it again, or are we imagining usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #21

The one world global power elite nineteen50 Jul 2013 #33

Well, he never tried to close the Gitmo prison Maedhros Jul 2013 #32

Stupid Propaganda crap you're regurgitating. Cha Jul 2013 #46

It's well documented. Maedhros Jul 2013 #84

Dude! Phlem Jul 2013 #236

I'd never considered the DLC/Corporate Democrats' cost to our country in terms of foreign allies. Marr Jul 2013 #4

it's been badcop/worsecop for quite awhile, now elehhhhna Jul 2013 #128

Kind of sounds like you HappyMe Jul 2013 #5

Odd you would say that considering your tagline. LOL eom Purveyor Jul 2013 #6

Okay then. HappyMe Jul 2013 #8

MLK expressed that sentiment. I'm sure he knew all about the silence of his 'friends' sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #169

Kind of sounds like your nineteen50 Jul 2013 #36

I'm not all that patriotic. HappyMe Jul 2013 #113

You are a real patriot if you follow your post. Thank you. nineteen50 Jul 2013 #118

He was a corporate Trojan Horse, woo me with science Jul 2013 #7

Someone didn't like what you had to say: AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #13

Thank you MissDeeds Jul 2013 #25

Thank you for serving, woo me with science Jul 2013 #100

Corporate Trojan horse is exactly right. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #18

Obama sold quite a bit of that, too. merrily Jul 2013 #237

It's pretty sad that to carry out change in America these days you have to commit a major felony. leveymg Jul 2013 #47

One person's major felony is another person's whistleblowing. merrily Jul 2013 #238

I used to dislike such moral relativism, and reject the equivalency of all causes, but there has leveymg Jul 2013 #239

At one point, Osama said that he had decided to do something to hurt America merrily Jul 2013 #240

Osama or Poppy. I don't accept that choice. leveymg Jul 2013 #241

? No one asked you to choose between Osama and Poppy. merrily Jul 2013 #242

Chicago School Octafish Jul 2013 #60

+1 woo me with science Jul 2013 #110

Truer words were never spoken. forestpath Jul 2013 #89

Yep-- and he's provided the best proof yet for the fact that this is a liberal country. Marr Jul 2013 #131

Thank you. It amazes me that the argument woo me with science Jul 2013 #134

Maybe for Senator, but never for President. HughBeaumont Jul 2013 #166

Good point leftstreet Jul 2013 #142

Can you IMAGINE if he had run on: bvar22 Jul 2013 #226

Yes, "Thank you, Edward Snowden" Agony Jul 2013 #146

A corporate Trojan Horse. The sooner the 99% realize that, the sooner we can fight for our LIVES. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #207

It is a charade Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #212

Three and a half more years alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #9

Yeah, the poor little victims will have Cha Jul 2013 #16

Yeah. Like maybe by then the Bush era tax cuts will have been allowed to expire. Octafish Jul 2013 #62

Greenwalds motto... sheshe2 Jul 2013 #88

Yeah, she.. everyone is suspect except Greenwald, Snowden, Assange, Cha Jul 2013 #154

I'm wondering if G's dad advised his son to after power with LIES, she? Cha Jul 2013 #162

Maybe there's hope for impeachment! CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #37

Get real zeemike Jul 2013 #109

Geez, back to the "Obama is a RW pawn/Manchurian Candidate" theory? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #119

No it is triangulation. zeemike Jul 2013 #125

Are you laughing at children killed by drones? HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #75

Oh, the melodrama! alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #111

No, it's not melodrama, it's politics. sibelian Jul 2013 #157

apparantly you *do* think it funny demwing Jul 2013 #203

I don't think that's very helpful. sibelian Jul 2013 #85

The demands for a primary failed. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #91

Please Universe - Spare Us From The Fate Of A Hillary Presidency cantbeserious Jul 2013 #138

SEXIST! sibelian Jul 2013 #156

What I love most about all of this, is the total exposure of what we only suspected before. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #229

Forward! alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #230

K&R quinnox Jul 2013 #10

There's no doubt that it's a class war and Obama is a Rahmulan. byeya Jul 2013 #11

Thus the Trojan Horse conotation lark Jul 2013 #76

The delivery of those ponies we ordered back truedelphi Jul 2013 #12

The fact that the house of cards is falling after this long is nothing short of a miracle Hydra Jul 2013 #14

somebody didn't get their pony snooper2 Jul 2013 #17

Original. senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #19

Sometimes you got to stick with the original snooper2 Jul 2013 #23

Most of the serious opponents of the less savory aspects of the Obama administration sibelian Jul 2013 #38

No more and no less than prefacing an editorial with "cult" and fantasy" achieves much either... LanternWaste Jul 2013 #80

I think there's more to Obama support than cultism, yes. sibelian Jul 2013 #105

Ya got that right! This is officially an Obama opposition research site now. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #39

The party needs to move to the left. sibelian Jul 2013 #70

"DU is for all stripes" CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #93

Weren't we told by Obama after the 2010 election, "I get it"? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #140

I suspect he found he genuinely couldn't do as much as he wanted... sibelian Jul 2013 #155

Only 3.5 years of poutrage remain!! JoePhilly Jul 2013 #20

I've decided DevonRex Jul 2013 #31

What...you don't like the conspiracy theories which imply the US government killed Michael Hastings? Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #65

If you can't beat 'em join 'em. Obama bombed the MOON!!!!! OMG!!! DevonRex Jul 2013 #81

Pretty much ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #87

I'm sick of hearing the lie about Obama not keeping his promise on Guantanamo. Zen Democrat Jul 2013 #22

He just wanted to move it, not close it. RC Jul 2013 #86

What about Red Tie Guy? His enthusiasm is truly contagious... limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #24

i dont judge people for being diehard fans of obama BOG PERSON Jul 2013 #136

I usually do but there are so many that it doesn't tell me much. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #141

blame it on capital's deliberate fostering of fan culture / brand loyalty BOG PERSON Jul 2013 #149

ACLU Comment on Appointment of Envoy to Close Guantánamo ProSense Jul 2013 #26

Those of us who voted for a real human being instead of a super hero geek tragedy Jul 2013 #27

I don't think that means very much, does it? sibelian Jul 2013 #40

No single person--even the President--can move things in the right direction geek tragedy Jul 2013 #45

So you lay responsibility at the feet of the entire political capital. sibelian Jul 2013 #63

For one, there is no single direction, because there is no single policy or issue. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #66

Presumably you feel that some issues aren't worth tackling, then? sibelian Jul 2013 #71

All of them are worth tackling. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #74

OK, thanks for clarifying. nt. sibelian Jul 2013 #79

The record shows aggressive advocacy of a corporate agenda woo me with science Jul 2013 #96

This ^^^^^^^^ Phlem Jul 2013 #122

the consistent pattern suggests this is a matter of policy rather than pragmatics nashville_brook Jul 2013 #130

+1 I'd say more than suggests. woo me with science Jul 2013 #143

+1 leftstreet Jul 2013 #144

But "the republcians would have twisted his elbow if he had not done all that." n/t truedelphi Jul 2013 #153

Please post this as its own OP. The body of evidence is unrefutable. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #209

Rec and bookmarking AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #216

Too bad that Medicaid Expansion has been made optional. Jamastiene Jul 2013 #208

Supporting Obama makes perfect sense... Orsino Jul 2013 #132

+1 HiPointDem Jul 2013 #186

Off topic. But you'll have to revise your opinion on Ned Starks effect once... Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #198

Fire and Ice have already been joined, as we shall learn. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #200

You deserve the "geek" tag in your name... Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #202

Strikes me as almost gossipy, if we're talking about geek tragedy Jul 2013 #220

This ^^^^^ treestar Jul 2013 #52

"somewhat less crestfallen" at what -- do you admit disappointment in NSA spying? nashville_brook Jul 2013 #129

Every President is going to do everything the courts geek tragedy Jul 2013 #184

This means noting coming from those who hated him from the start. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #29

OK, how about me? sibelian Jul 2013 #42

I was one of his biggest supporters here and yet you falsely accuse cali Jul 2013 #50

You also post about specific policies Recursion Jul 2013 #55

Are you the OP? nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #56

the post in question is directed generically. nashville_brook Jul 2013 #126

must have hit a nerve. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #233

nope. dishonest comments from the likes of you cali Jul 2013 #234

Bullshit. You act like nobody saw any of your posts for the last 5 years. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #232

that's actually quite a revealing remark -- shows that you believe criticism=hate nashville_brook Jul 2013 #124

Europe hated him from the start? Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #199

Wishful thinking won't make it so. ucrdem Jul 2013 #30

5th Rec, thanks for the link, ucrdem sheshe2 Jul 2013 #115

Well, if Obama is a liberal fantasy hero.. baronjake Jul 2013 #34

Anyone out of power who doesn't have to get results in the real world Recursion Jul 2013 #53

never had any illusion that he was a liberal to say nothing of a liberal hero - I just thought he Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #35

Loads of I got your back Obama B's here nineteen50 Jul 2013 #41

I suspect policy is now of secondary importance to them. sibelian Jul 2013 #48

If a political party is headed down the wrong path nineteen50 Jul 2013 #54

I have Obama's back. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #51

The right is dropping sharia crap on women what has nineteen50 Jul 2013 #59

If you have to ask... OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #94

2 women justices for starters SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #97

So the litmus was female I am nineteen50 Jul 2013 #99

What women have gained nineteen50 Jul 2013 #67

when govt becomes literally invasive and disruptive SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #108

When nineteen50 Jul 2013 #117

I just see a lot of people acting like Snowden and not thinking SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #135

Who is not thinking Snowde or Clapper? nineteen50 Jul 2013 #147

This thread is about Obama as liberal fantasy hero SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #148

I don't think it has anything to do with DU the nineteen50 Jul 2013 #151

I just listed several huge differences. And my concerns are those of this president SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #167

What is the number one expenditure nineteen50 Jul 2013 #175

Those are the big issues, but there are equally important personal and economic issues. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #180

If America awakens nineteen50 Jul 2013 #206

Obama is not a liberal Doctor_J Jul 2013 #168

I don't think the left wing criticising Obama is going to mean the Democrats will lose sibelian Jul 2013 #69

this is what the thick-headed apologists can't seem to grasp Doctor_J Jul 2013 #172

Yes. They consider themselves strategists... sibelian Jul 2013 #183

Because your characterization of "continued the path of your hated enemy" geek tragedy Jul 2013 #58

Your opinion nineteen50 Jul 2013 #61

Bush's program for ending tax cuts for millionaires, drawing down our military presence in Iraq, geek tragedy Jul 2013 #64

Tell me where you want me to send you a response nineteen50 Jul 2013 #82

White House Delaying Key Obamacare Provision For A Year nineteen50 Jul 2013 #92

I'm kind of shocked that this is in the Financial Times. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #43

Conservative UK paper bashes Obama, what's the world coming to? ucrdem Jul 2013 #77

Maybe that's all it is. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #83

This is the island serving up Assange and Greenwald. ucrdem Jul 2013 #90

Easy to miss that since our conservatives aren't as clever at hiding it. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #218

you never loved him n/t warrprayer Jul 2013 #68

I certainly didn't. I thought he was a damn good bet. sibelian Jul 2013 #73

I'll forgo a step-by-step rebuttal IrishAyes Jul 2013 #72

Good plan. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #98

The best President we've ever had? that's upaloopa Jul 2013 #107

The veneer has all worn off and what the veneer had covered has been lain indepat Jul 2013 #78

I get that he had to do the whole sexy graphics thing. sibelian Jul 2013 #95

Liberals can't have a hero because liberals don't get elected... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #101

Bingo! Cleita Jul 2013 #102

Your entire post rests on the premise that those criticising Obama don't support him. sibelian Jul 2013 #114

How many people come at the argument from your perspective? Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #123

The problem is that there is too much Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #137

Why don't you ask them which party they plan on voting for at the next election? nt sibelian Jul 2013 #139

Thank you Drunken Irishman nevergiveup Jul 2013 #116

+1000! sheshe2 Jul 2013 #127

Not this nonsense again. woo me with science Jul 2013 #133

You'll notice that the post is highly repetitive sibelian Jul 2013 #152

So, who's the liberal hero leading the UK today? Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #185

Oh, there's plenty of pragmatism in the UK. sibelian Jul 2013 #189

So, what's your point? Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #196

God ... GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #224

What? Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #182

Obama got elected campaigning as a neo-FDR leftstreet Jul 2013 #158

I don't think that point's lost on him. sibelian Jul 2013 #161

What terms? Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #188

Your post further upthread speaks for itself. sibelian Jul 2013 #190

Just spit it out... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #195

I wonder if you paid attention at all in 2008... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #187

Awesome post ! treestar Jul 2013 #163

Nailed it. sagat Jul 2013 #194

In this excerpt alone... OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #103

Oh Gawd.... LuvLoogie Jul 2013 #104

lol This article is really quite sympathetic to the President. Not that the rec crew will notice Number23 Jul 2013 #112

Why would anyone suspect a self-described centrist politician of being a liberal? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #120

Self-described Republican, actually. But he waited a prudent interval before outing himself kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #165

Totally hyperbolic hype from the TeaLeft. Nonsense. RBInMaine Jul 2013 #201

We did A LOT better than bush in '08, we can do A LOT better than Obama in '16. sadbear Jul 2013 #121

You can't blame Obama. He never had the votes.™ Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 #150

“Obama talks like the president of the American Civil Liberties Union but he acts like Dick Cheney.” Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #160

Liberal talk, rightwing action kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #179

In a respectful relationship you tell the truth felix_numinous Jul 2013 #164

Marvelous post. woo me with science Jul 2013 #174

I appreciate your post. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #215

it's strange that an article in a European paper about disappointment in Doctor_J Jul 2013 #170

We can't be allowed near the steering wheel. sibelian Jul 2013 #171

I can't wait until we find out why WE'RE responsible for Europe's Doctor_J Jul 2013 #173

Europe's a giant hot-bed of creepy Rand Paul supporters... sibelian Jul 2013 #177

No, that's what GD has become. Skidmore Jul 2013 #197

Well that's a bit of a strange hypothesis, really sibelian Jul 2013 #235

Here's the sadder fact. roamer65 Jul 2013 #176

No. LWolf Jul 2013 #213

I guess they never watched any James Bond Agent 007 movies! Amonester Jul 2013 #181

Bingo. Great article LittleBlue Jul 2013 #191

Whatever... Lady Freedom Returns Jul 2013 #192

Not Fair sam_25tx Jul 2013 #193

Europe was "the headquarters of global cult of Obama"? WTF? In which reality? Sure he was liked idwiyo Jul 2013 #204

Some of the responses to this thread indicate that LWolf Jul 2013 #211

Those posts are always good for a {{{chuckle}}} after all the positive posting I put up over Purveyor Jul 2013 #214

Yep. nt LWolf Jul 2013 #221

I find it interesting...the pursuit of destroying Obama while in other news Sheepshank Jul 2013 #217

Gitmo is a tiny part of how he's failed to follow through. RILib Jul 2013 #219

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #222

''....but he acts like Dick Cheney.'' DeSwiss Jul 2013 #225

Obama was never a "liberal" - that was the fantasy. Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #228

“Obama talks like the president of the ACLU but he acts like Dick Cheney,” sadly true with some yurbud Jul 2013 #231