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99th_Monkey

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Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:57 AM Jun 2013

NYTimes Op-Ed: "The Criminal N.S.A." [View all]

The Criminal N.S.A.
By JENNIFER STISA GRANICK and CHRISTOPHER JON SPRIGMAN
Published: June 27, 2013

THE twin revelations that telecom carriers have been secretly giving the National Security Agency information about Americans’ phone calls, and that the N.S.A. has been capturing e-mail and other private communications from Internet companies as part of a secret program called Prism, have not enraged most Americans. Lulled, perhaps, by the Obama administration’s claims that these “modest encroachments on privacy” were approved by Congress and by federal judges, public opinion quickly migrated from shock to “meh.”

It didn’t help that Congressional watchdogs — with a few exceptions, like Senator Rand Paul, Republican of Kentucky — have accepted the White House’s claims of legality. The leaders of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Dianne Feinstein, Democrat of California, and Saxby Chambliss, Republican of Georgia, have called the surveillance legal. So have liberal-leaning commentators like Hendrik Hertzberg and David Ignatius.

This view is wrong — and not only, or even mainly, because of the privacy issues raised by the American Civil Liberties Union and other critics. The two programs violate both the letter and the spirit of federal law. No statute explicitly authorizes mass surveillance. Through a series of legal contortions, the Obama administration has argued that Congress, since 9/11, intended to implicitly authorize mass surveillance. But this strategy mostly consists of wordplay, fear-mongering and a highly selective reading of the law. Americans deserve better from the White House — and from President Obama, who has seemingly forgotten the constitutional law he once taught.

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Even in the fearful time when the Patriot Act was enacted, in October 2001, lawmakers never contemplated that Section 215 would be used for phone metadata, or for mass surveillance of any sort. Representative F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., a Wisconsin Republican and one of the architects of the Patriot Act, and a man not known as a civil libertarian, has said that “Congress intended to allow the intelligence communities to access targeted information for specific investigations.” The N.S.A.’s demand for information about every American’s phone calls isn’t “targeted” at all — it’s a dragnet. “How can every call that every American makes or receives be relevant to a specific investigation?” Mr. Sensenbrenner has asked. The answer is simple: It’s not.

The government claims that under Section 215 it may seize all of our phone call information now because it might conceivably be relevant to an investigation at some later date, even if there is no particular reason to believe that any but a tiny fraction of the data collected might possibly be suspicious. That is a shockingly flimsy argument — any data might be “relevant” to an investigation eventually, if by “eventually” you mean “sometime before the end of time.” If all data is “relevant,” it makes a mockery of the already shaky concept of relevance.


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Like the Patriot Act, the FISA Amendments Act gives the government very broad surveillance authority. And yet the Prism program appears to outstrip that authority. In particular, the government “may not intentionally acquire any communication as to which the sender and all intended recipients are known at the time of the acquisition to be located in the United States.”

Much More Here> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/28/opinion/the-criminal-nsa.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&ref=opinion

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a very good read imho.
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It IS criminal and it needs to stop. Th1onein Jun 2013 #1
The nice thing about Op-Ed pieces is that the newspaper can't fire the writer(s) 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #2
CRIMES BehindTheCurtain76 Jun 2013 #16
Interesting, but inherently flawed. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #3
THIS 'data collection' consists of monitoring who, when and how often I phone or email 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #5
I'll say it one last time. Then I'm done. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #10
It's a pity that reverse phone directories don't still exist 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #15
Wow! You should go to work for the government! Th1onein Jun 2013 #12
Except for me and the courts. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #17
Of course the "law is legal". The interpretation by the government may not be. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #21
No... Hydra Jun 2013 #23
Justice Department Fights Release of Secret Court Opinion Finding Unconstitutional Surveillance PoliticAverse Jun 2013 #26
Things that make you go, "Hmmmm." bvar22 Jun 2013 #41
Things that make you go "D'oh". OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #49
The courts have not ruled on this brand new handy, dandy INTERPRETATION of the law. Th1onein Jun 2013 #53
There ain't no fuck in chocolate! OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #54
??? kentuck Jun 2013 #56
Google broken? OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #57
It's an old joke... Melinda Jun 2013 #66
Census data collection is not INVOLUNTARY and SECRET. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2013 #18
"Refusing or neglecting to answer the census is punishable by fines of $100, OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #55
It so happens that I worked for the Census this last time, Waiting For Everyman Jun 2013 #62
I'm not sure what your point is. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #64
of course it's surveillance. Even they say it is. cali Jun 2013 #19
If it's not surveillance? kentuck Jun 2013 #42
No, it's not suveillance. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #59
yes. That and the cheer they are leading. kentuck Jun 2013 #60
Who are they? OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #61
Seems opinions are all GreenSnowdenWald have left. railsback Jun 2013 #4
They also printed the leaks of another whistle blower. One Daniel Ellsberg. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #6
Ellsberg release the Pentagon Papers in 1971 railsback Jun 2013 #11
I seem to recall someone once saying that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat Th1onein Jun 2013 #13
Ellsberg also supports Manning and Snowden and their efforts. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #14
FYI - it was actually an "op-ed" piece, not an official NYTimes Editorial. 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #7
Yes, 'deemed' by the NY Times railsback Jun 2013 #9
So where do you get your news from? Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #25
FYI railsback Jun 2013 #29
So? Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #33
Expected the blank look. railsback Jun 2013 #36
Pardon? nt Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #37
So now the evil NYTimes is "The Issue"? 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #34
Yeah, I forgot to cherry pick my messenger attack railsback Jun 2013 #35
Forgetting appears to be your forte. ~nt 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #63
My disagreement comes from the notion that phone numbers are private bhikkhu Jun 2013 #8
"It’s time to call the N.S.A.’s mass surveillance programs what they are: criminal." DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #20
"Congressional watchdogs — with a few exceptions, like Senator Rand Paul . . . " ucrdem Jun 2013 #22
Eerrr. aarrghhh... 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #27
K&R marions ghost Jun 2013 #24
knr Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #28
Interesting video link 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #46
K&R woo me with science Jun 2013 #30
a very important article Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #31
The NY Times?!! kentuck Jun 2013 #32
This needs to stay on top. nt woo me with science Jun 2013 #38
Thanks. YES. 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #45
This is no more sophisticated than right wingers declaring the EPA or OSHA or IRS to be "criminal." treestar Jun 2013 #39
Two lawyers from excellent schools marions ghost Jun 2013 #48
Where are all the rebuttals?? kentuck Jun 2013 #40
Well, the post #39 above yours, sums it up. That's all they got. ~nt 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #44
kr PufPuf23 Jun 2013 #43
K & R L0oniX Jun 2013 #47
K&R 99Forever Jun 2013 #50
Uh oh. Guess the Army Times won't be carrying the story. Guess the Pentagon will cut NYT from silvershadow Jun 2013 #51
B,but if Greenwald + Nader and Snowden=narcissistic traitor, then... Bonobo Jun 2013 #52
did you mean marions ghost Jun 2013 #65
Yep. nt Bonobo Jun 2013 #67
K&R marions ghost Jun 2013 #68
K+R sibelian Jun 2013 #58
kick woo me with science Jul 2013 #69
kick woo me with science Jul 2013 #70
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