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BlueCaliDem

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332. Maybe you need to review that statement IF you're a Democrat:

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 01:53 PM

Jun 2013

The ballot that altered U.S. history
By Randy Schultz, Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Sunday, November 18, 2001

(excerpt): Let's dispel one myth. The county's Democratic and Republican parties didn't "sign off" on the butterfly ballot, as Mr. Bush's spinmeisters got away with claiming last year. The parties don't have to approve the ballot.

Democratic officials never saw the ballot in the voting machine. The elections supervisor just has to get the names right and in order. Other supervisors told The Post that Ms. LePore never showed them her plan for putting all the candidates on two pages, and that if she had, they would have warned her about confusion.
http://www.bartcop.com/1120vote.htm

But I'm certain that the Bush spinmeisters, as Randy Schultz calls them, is grateful for your support in continuing to spread the lie.

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Ralph Nader Did Not Cost Al Gore the 2000 Presidential Election [View all] erpowers Jun 2013 OP

So true. Autumn Jun 2013 #1

Yep. And if we add the Reagan Democrats for Bush to that, Nader Zorra Jun 2013 #63

Wrong! Votes for Nader contributed to the outcome of the election! brush Jun 2013 #130

When the actual votes were all counted, Al Gore had won. Autumn Jun 2013 #139

When the votes are counted you don't have to win big. You just have to count the votes. Autumn Jun 2013 #190

Because it was so close they could get away with it. And they did. brush Jun 2013 #249

Yes that's what you said. Autumn Jun 2013 #251

Blah, Blah, Blah, BillyRibs Jun 2013 #293

Wrong. Nader was the SINGLE person who held the election in his hands. pnwmom Jun 2013 #185

I 100% Agree BehindTheCurtain76 Jun 2013 #287

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #2

+4 (the 4 votes in New Hampshire. RALPH Nader, THIS is YOUR legacy. You broke it, YOU own it. graham4anything Jun 2013 #7

That's a moronic postion and you should be ashamed for posting blather byeya Jun 2013 #11

The OP is ignoring history and the facts Gothmog Jun 2013 #166

The exit polls from 1992 do not support the claim that Perot threw the election to Bush (eom) StevieM Jun 2013 #215

yep libodem Jun 2013 #256

That is a factual position gcomeau Jun 2013 #179

I'm sure the US Supreme Court, Katherine Harris, or Jeb Bush had nothing to do with Bush winning. Apophis Jun 2013 #17

Not to mention confusing Palm Beach butterfly ballots. Fuddnik Jun 2013 #183

Which were agreed to by Democratic party election officials. former9thward Jun 2013 #198

The designer, Theresa LaPore, had been a registered Republican all her life. BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #278

Regardless both parties signed off on it. former9thward Jun 2013 #329

Maybe you need to review that statement IF you're a Democrat: BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #332

LOL former9thward Jun 2013 #338

Like I've already written in my post BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #339

Yep. And other than Republicans and Republican Party supporters, no one believes otherwise. BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #333

+1,000,000,000. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #27

Is there a difference? momrois Jun 2013 #98

No one held a gun to Gore's head and forced him to concede. Gore chose to HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #126

I call them Paul-Bots! n/t aggiesal Jun 2013 #227

This thinking supposes that those Nader voters didn't have a say in the matter. mattclearing Jun 2013 #31

he did enough sniping with his blather, that there was no difference between both parties, and he still_one Jun 2013 #65

A politician campaigning... TommyCelt Jun 2013 #222

He was never a politician, never held elected office, and his only claim to being a BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #279

What's your point? TommyCelt Jun 2013 #308

Doesn't matter. mattclearing Jun 2013 #325

What State(s) Did Nader Cost Gore? erpowers Jun 2013 #34

Florida. Which would have made Gore president. Pay attention. gcomeau Jun 2013 #64

100,000+ registered dems in FL voted for bush.. frylock Jun 2013 #111

Yep. gcomeau Jun 2013 #172

it was the reagan democrats that helped to swing the election for bush.. frylock Jun 2013 #181

One group helping swing it... gcomeau Jun 2013 #200

so what's your solution? frylock Jun 2013 #203

Ummmm.. gcomeau Jun 2013 #207

yeah, you're done, son. frylock Jun 2013 #210

Indeed. Glad you caught up. -eom gcomeau Jun 2013 #214

And the OP actually bothered to back up his argument nxylas Jun 2013 #298

Try reading the thread. gcomeau Jun 2013 #314

Can you prove your "fact?" ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #268

Yes. gcomeau Jun 2013 #272

The votes weren't Gore's... TommyCelt Jun 2013 #114

From what I remember of the race, Gore violated the first precept of HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #132

what I remember of the race also......... lunasun Jun 2013 #280

In other words gcomeau Jun 2013 #173

Don't "in other words" me... TommyCelt Jun 2013 #182

But it was. gcomeau Jun 2013 #195

Ralph Nader was not a Democrat. TommyCelt Jun 2013 #217

And I should care about that why? gcomeau Jun 2013 #221

OK...so continue your bitchin' TommyCelt Jun 2013 #224

It's an inescapable fact. cheapdate Jun 2013 #266

here you go hfojvt Jun 2013 #267

Too bad the people in Floriduh can't count. RoccoR5955 Jun 2013 #66

We can count just fine demwing Jun 2013 #91

Heaven forbid we actually honor the concept of democracy newthinking Jun 2013 #88

"... close enough for the repukes to steal it". Hosnon Jun 2013 #99

Not illegal, just dumb demwing Jun 2013 #147

Succinct. And correct! +1000! nt MADem Jun 2013 #100

Wow, what an open-minded response. Not! I certainly understand your despite need to rhett o rick Jun 2013 #102

I've never understood why some alsame Jun 2013 #3

I also blame ANY ONE who did NOT vote for Jimmy Carter in 1980. ANY ONE. graham4anything Jun 2013 #8

Yes, but that's a different issue. I don't think 1980 was alsame Jun 2013 #15

that came after NH and the 4 electoral votes that would have given Al Gore 270. graham4anything Jun 2013 #26

"never again will any true democratic supporter ever vote third party." Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #32

That is for sure /nt still_one Jun 2013 #70

+1,000. That cannot be said often enough. Begone, ratfuckers. freshwest Jun 2013 #233

Needs a capital D to be truthful. eom TransitJohn Jun 2013 #299

I know, why cover for the Felonious Five? I don't get that either. The SC stole sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #13

third way dems datasuspect Jun 2013 #21

LOL ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #49

Over the years, especially during Bushco, alsame Jun 2013 #96

Some of us can walk and chew gum and blame multiple people at once ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #153

In that case, I am clearly not referring to alsame Jun 2013 #202

even gore, who personally shut down the black caucus protest HiPointDem Jun 2013 #289

Gore was shamed into giving up ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #320

'shamed'. if he can be 'shamed' into giving up an election he *won,* what would he be as HiPointDem Jun 2013 #335

It was over....there was no out left for him ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #336

vote fraud isn't an out? legal challenge isn't an out? protest isn't an out? gore curled up HiPointDem Jun 2013 #337

When the votes were counted after the corrupt court, Al Gore had won the election. Autumn Jun 2013 #53

If Nader had not run... Nitram Jun 2013 #86

The Anti-LABOR, Free Trading, Deregulating, "Centrist" Clinton Administration CREATED Nader. bvar22 Jun 2013 #142

Bingo! Exactly right. RufusTFirefly Jun 2013 #158

Yes. What we suffered and continue to suffer is nothing less than a corporate coup. raouldukelives Jun 2013 #170

+1 HiPointDem Jun 2013 #290

Fucking-A. TransitJohn Jun 2013 #300

People are attempting to re-write history Gothmog Jun 2013 #164

Better go tell Al Gore, bvar22 Jun 2013 #223

Bush* wasn't elected or re-elected. TransitJohn Jun 2013 #301

it prevents cognitive dissonance when Dems provide the sine qua non votes for the IWR MisterP Jun 2013 #157

nailed it! frylock Jun 2013 #188

Yes. nt alsame Jun 2013 #204

You're right, however... TDale313 Jun 2013 #4

Studies have been conducted that have shown that ... Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #5

No one needs studies to know that the SC stole the 2000 election. Everyone knows that, even sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #18

So why make this about Ralph Nader? No Nader, no SC decision. Period. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #35

Thread Winner!!!! I guess it's true that a picture is worth a thousand words. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #37

Thanks for cleaning up the room! LOL at that graphic! freshwest Jun 2013 #234

The issue is New Hampshire, not Florida Recursion Jun 2013 #6

No, the issue is that the SC committed a treasonous act and installed someone who lost an sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #20

I guess the new DU loves Nader... tridim Jun 2013 #9

Looks more like the new DU loves the criminals on the SC who stole an election and sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #25

There Reasons erpowers Jun 2013 #50

Nader has very progressive policy positions Maedhros Jun 2013 #121

No, he expresses very progressive policy positions jeff47 Jun 2013 #159

He supports progressive policies Maedhros Jun 2013 #187

Exactly Right. bvar22 Jun 2013 #213

Correct. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #10

Yes he fucking did. LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #12

You are full of the last word in your post byeya Jun 2013 #16

No, I'm not. You are a revisionist. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #29

This.^^ Skidmore Jun 2013 #19

Nader had zero to do with the 2000 election theft. Gore won, so how do you explain that? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #28

Zero?? RockaFowler Jun 2013 #36

If Gore wanted the votes that went to Nader Maedhros Jun 2013 #125

+10000! Blaming Nader is a pathetic loser tactic beneath the dignity of true Democrats RufusTFirefly Jun 2013 #155

Did you even read my post? Wow LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #38

So a politician lied about something? Show me one who hasn't. That has zero to do with the crime sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #60

Bullshit "it had zero to do with the crime". He drove the fucking getaway car. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #83

No, he didn't. I've never been a Nader supporter, but he had as much right to campaign winter is coming Jun 2013 #90

Yes... he did. LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #109

Nader wasn't responsible for the butterfly ballot, or the Brooks Brothers mob, or the SC decision. winter is coming Jun 2013 #122

He was responsible for making it close enough for those to matter. jeff47 Jun 2013 #161

Nope. If he'd had no appeal, he'd have gotten no votes. winter is coming Jun 2013 #176

You might want tailor your reply to the post you are replying to. jeff47 Jun 2013 #184

Nader's actions are a reason not to take him seriously, winter is coming Jun 2013 #189

oh fuck that. "Gore quells challenge to Bush win" HiPointDem Jun 2013 #291

That was after the theft occurred, and you know it. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #313

The theft was ongoing, and Gore shutting up the challenge was part of it. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #334

He made it close enough to steal... tinrobot Jun 2013 #171

Yes. Gore won the election and it was stolen from him, He did not put up much of a fight either. byeya Jun 2013 #14

those are the facts G_j Jun 2013 #22

If Nader hadn't run, Gore would have been president bhikkhu Jun 2013 #23

That election would have been stolen if Nader had never existed. Bush was appointed and would sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #33

Again, this is bullshit. Nader helped them steal it, and no amount of posturing changes that. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #41

BS. The election had to be close enough to steal bhikkhu Jun 2013 #48

"Keep that in mind whenever the repugs put money into a left-leaning third-party candidate." Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #44

Stein, who said she sort of wanted Romney to win.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #54

They only help the Republicans, which is why I despise them so much. Nader knew exactly what... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #105

This. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #55

and if my aunt had nads, she'd be my uncle.. frylock Jun 2013 #193

Not what the UMICH study I saw in 2002 said... JCMach1 Jun 2013 #24

there's plenty of blame to go around carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #30

What those who are trying to cover for the SC are saying is that we do not have a democratic sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #39

Gore would have won NH - and that would have made him President without Florida karynnj Jun 2013 #40

Interesting that those who blame Nader votores never mention markiv Jun 2013 #42

I guess is you say it enough times some people might believe you but most of us know OregonBlue Jun 2013 #43

Another excellent post! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #47

How many third party voters will rec this thread? freshwest Jun 2013 #235

I hate the fuckers! They're too lazy and/or stupid to build their own infrastructure, so.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #236

Yup, libertarians love to get stuff for free. Skinner's site is too good not to steal. freshwest Jun 2013 #237

Ralph played his part in the Perfect Storm ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #45

"Fuck Bush, Fuck the SCOTUS, Fuck Nader, Fuck Jill Stein, and Fuck the Greenies". Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #51

Oh, also.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #57

Basically... TommyCelt Jun 2013 #123

Pretty much!!! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #127

Your Uncle Adolf would be proud... TommyCelt Jun 2013 #137

You leave my Uncle Adolf alone!!!!!! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #150

Seriously, THD.... TommyCelt Jun 2013 #154

Tell it, PTBBIR!!! freshwest Jun 2013 #238

Just imagine if Nader had appeared on a platform with Gore a few days before the election. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #46

Exactly. moondust Jun 2013 #67

We don't agree all the time, I agree with this. graham4anything Jun 2013 #82

That's a nice thought, but ... Martin Eden Jun 2013 #259

Imagine if Nader had been allowed to debate Gore burnodo Jun 2013 #261

When one cannot win their own freaking home state bigwillq Jun 2013 #52

His freaking home state thinks Marcia Blackburn is worthy of elected office. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #58

His home state voted for Clinton/Gore in 1996 bigwillq Jun 2013 #95

Because his home state is stupid? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #156

Where they stupid in 1996? bigwillq Jun 2013 #192

Our governor is a backwards moron, too Rob H. Jun 2013 #321

and Clinton ran far more conservative than Gore was seen by 2000 JI7 Jun 2013 #230

Correct rock Jun 2013 #56

not by himself he didn't.. to say he wasn't a big factor in it is ludicrous... dionysus Jun 2013 #59

Anyone who thinks he did is lazy, stupid or a republican. morningfog Jun 2013 #61

well said and so true. bbgrunt Jun 2013 #148

+1, nails it. Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #231

There was more than just Florida that was lost cause nader was on the ballot. This is his legacy, still_one Jun 2013 #62

Nader put Florida within stealing distance arely staircase Jun 2013 #68

President Obama won re-election decisively RufusTFirefly Jun 2013 #162

I think he is an awesome president arely staircase Jun 2013 #163

Whether he did or not... NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #69

who said he didn't have that right? arely staircase Jun 2013 #73

Yes, it was his right, and he ignored overtures from the Democratic party to work with him if he still_one Jun 2013 #76

500,000 more votes is not enough to win. We needed Naders voters too ...in la la land. L0oniX Jun 2013 #71

Considering one of the biggest and nastiest trolls on this site used that as his battle cry Hydra Jun 2013 #72

The people who voted for Ralph Nader cost Gore the election. lastlib Jun 2013 #74

Yup, and they can't live with it, so they create posts like the OP. gulliver Jun 2013 #247

Only if they would have voted for Gore if Nader hadn't ran. ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #269

97,400 Nader votes in FL. Bush won by 537. sofa king Jun 2013 #75

100,000+ registered Dems voted for Bush in Fl... TommyCelt Jun 2013 #119

Which alters the figures you were responding to HOW? -eom gcomeau Jun 2013 #177

what do you think? frylock Jun 2013 #194

That it *didn't*. Hence my question. -eom gcomeau Jun 2013 #196

so 97,000>100,000+? frylock Jun 2013 #199

No... gcomeau Jun 2013 #201

i'm rolling them at you.. frylock Jun 2013 #206

If you insist... gcomeau Jun 2013 #208

Bush won by 537? burnodo Jun 2013 #264

Yeah, I think it means that much. sofa king Jun 2013 #282

Somehow Nader and Nader voters are more responsible burnodo Jun 2013 #304

Yes, they are. sofa king Jun 2013 #331

Wow. Now I understand the heat on this issue. Thanks for the stats. freshwest Jun 2013 #275

Bull. Shit. gcomeau Jun 2013 #77

But the world is so much easier Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #78

F*ck Nadir. n/t BlueToTheBone Jun 2013 #79

Maureen Dowd is as much to blame for Gore's loss as is Nader Orrex Jun 2013 #80

Both things can be true at the same time Just Saying Jun 2013 #81

My god iandhr Jun 2013 #84

by odin's beard, 100,000+ registered dems voted for bush in FL!!1 frylock Jun 2013 #197

I have a DU censor vote to prove that he did. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #85

If Gore sabbat hunter Jun 2013 #87

and the moon is made of green cheese! whistler162 Jun 2013 #89

Still feeling guilty? Renew Deal Jun 2013 #92

No erpowers Jun 2013 #218

It's not one or the other, it's both. They both get the blame - Supreme Court AND Nader. Dawgs Jun 2013 #316

No erpowers Jun 2013 #317

But Nader and the Supreme Court are two completely different things. Dawgs Jun 2013 #319

Lieberman had a larger effect than Nader. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2013 #93

Let's ask him the next time he comes out of his hole. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2013 #94

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #97

And Strom Thurmond was once JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #140

What did 'Name Removed' say? Someone turned on the... freshwest Jun 2013 #241

It means JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #245

There are people who will never accept the truth of what you say Cal Carpenter Jun 2013 #101

and...it is totally anti-democratic to blame a participant in this so-called democracy noiretextatique Jun 2013 #103

"Butterfly ballot" in Palm Beach County cost Gore hundreds of votes davidn3600 Jun 2013 #104

He was part of the problem riqster Jun 2013 #106

wtf? how can people deny facts and history so blithely? cali Jun 2013 #107

+1000 n/t ColesCountyDem Jun 2013 #112

Nader cost Gore the election Democat Jun 2013 #115

well, Nader and the Supreme Court. Gore won cali Jun 2013 #118

WTF? Gore did win and the SC stole it, regardless of Nader Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #232

Here Is An Article erpowers Jun 2013 #243

His math is baloney. Jim Lane Jun 2013 #265

Nader's presence on the ballot made this theft possible Zambero Jun 2013 #108

FLAW: The question about Nader-voters not otherwise voting for Gore, is in retrospect. Had there WinkyDink Jun 2013 #110

Thank you! City Lights Jun 2013 #113

Even if he did, that's the price we pay for democracy stupidicus Jun 2013 #116

WTF are we doing worrying about 13 years ago????? groundloop Jun 2013 #117

Never could have gone to the SCOTUS without Nader. caseymoz Jun 2013 #120

Bullshit. The studies showed that Gore would have had a plurality of 12,000 votes BEFORE SCOTUS. onehandle Jun 2013 #124

rbn JEFF9K Jun 2013 #128

People have been voting against their own interest long before Faux News ever came to light. demosincebirth Jun 2013 #141

Are we still talking about Nader? mzmolly Jun 2013 #129

+1 meegbear Jun 2013 #133

And let's not forget the US Senate, either. Kerry, Feingold, not one Democrat would stand up Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #131

Please explain where would those votes for Nader had gone to if he hadn't run for president that demosincebirth Jun 2013 #134

This is accurate. PDittie Jun 2013 #135

those who insist on blaming Nader are like Faux News viewers who just bbgrunt Jun 2013 #136

Florida may not have been the deciding state upaloopa Jun 2013 #138

This post was alerted on. The jury voted 5/1 to let it stand. ohiosmith Jun 2013 #143

A toast for The Jury! bvar22 Jun 2013 #216

Cheers! ohiosmith Jun 2013 #226

I always say that Bush LittleGirl Jun 2013 #144

******>>>>> Here's your official Nader Jury Results limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #145

sorry dem loyalists but the gore lieberman ticket SUCKED! boilerbabe Jun 2013 #146

You're correct. Nader didn't cost Gore the election. But it's heresy to say that here... truth2power Jun 2013 #149

This discussion is so turn of the century Tobin S. Jun 2013 #151

deja vu helps me remember that DU had plenty of pointless arguments even in the good old days carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #252

if Nader wasnt on the ballot Gore would have been president. Nader gave us bush. Period. bowens43 Jun 2013 #152

Exactly. That's a fact the Naderites still refuse to accept BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #281

You'll never get anywhere with this.. Al Gore himself told me it wasn't Nader that cost him SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #160

He said the same thing in an interview with Jon Stewart, bvar22 Jun 2013 #219

I blame Obama. SpankMe Jun 2013 #165

Always the safest position on DU... freshwest Jun 2013 #242

you forgot the biggest player of them all RedstDem Jun 2013 #167

Nader? Cronus Protagonist Jun 2013 #168

Video of W and Jeb Bush saying they're going to win in FL is in Fahrenheit 9/11. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #169

Yes he did. One of the 99 Jun 2013 #174

I never did blame Ralph Nader. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #175

Why is it so hard for some to understand.... Whiskeytide Jun 2013 #178

May Ralph rot in the obscurity he so richly deserves surrounded by fawning syncophants Rowdyboy Jun 2013 #180

Ralph Nader Should Rot in Hell louis c Jun 2013 #186

You might be in that position but Nader won't. former9thward Jun 2013 #205

This. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2013 #294

Ralph Nader will be remembered for the 2000 election louis c Jul 2013 #340

Who am I? former9thward Jul 2013 #341

Just like Ralph Nader, you are confusing opinions for facts louis c Jul 2013 #342

Gore needed 2/3 of 1 percent of Nader's FL votes krawhitham Jun 2013 #191

you will not convince those who keep blaming Nader because they always blame the left and suck up to yurbud Jun 2013 #209

Revisionism! Coyotl Jun 2013 #211

If Bill Clinton hadn't hired Dick Morris and told progressives to get bent Adenoid_Hynkel Jun 2013 #212

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #220

I completely disagree jmowreader Jun 2013 #225

Well, I voted for Gore. But lets face it, he ran a poor campaign. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #228

Excellent post, reality apparently hurts some people's minds Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #229

If wishing made it so, you would be right. Unfortunately the facts make you wrong. nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #239

+1 freshwest Jun 2013 #276

The Usual Suspect always derailed the 2000 Theft Rex Jun 2013 #240

there were many factors but Nader was definitely one of them Skittles Jun 2013 #244

apples to oranges, it was all of the above but Nader was part of it Hamlette Jun 2013 #246

Yes he did. Itchinjim Jun 2013 #248

Bull. Count on your fingers. MrModerate Jun 2013 #250

Gore should have appealed to the voters he lost rather than the usual fuckwittery of TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #253

I see a lot of folks … 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #254

OK... but Nader's still an asshole. nt Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2013 #255

Nader's not an Asshole. Martin Eden Jun 2013 #257

Those dang Gore voters cost Nader the Presidency. JEB Jun 2013 #258

A question for you about the "studies" Jim Lane Jun 2013 #260

Your points are quite irrelevent. Nader lied. grantcart Jun 2013 #262

Yes. He. Did. Give me a fucking break. Fuck Nader and the Naderfucktards. we can do it Jun 2013 #263

Gore lost Tennessee, West Virginia and New Hampshire rpannier Jun 2013 #270

As William Shatner would say: BootinUp Jun 2013 #271

No defense but finger pointing creeksneakers2 Jun 2013 #273

Horse manure. The blood of Afghanistan and Iraq is on Nader's hands Gman Jun 2013 #274

you mean to tell me those 22000 people in New Hampshire.. LSK Jun 2013 #277

without Nader's bullshit sad-cafe Jun 2013 #283

Sorry, but he did. Rooting for the Dems Jun 2013 #284

I absolutely disagree with you. Nader cost Gore NH and FL. Look at the exit polls and the results.. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #285

Rec # 100. nt Bonobo Jun 2013 #286

i think gore cost nader the election. makes about as much sense. elections don't 'belong' HiPointDem Jun 2013 #288

I know your are right, but it's as Pearls Before Swine. BillyRibs Jun 2013 #292

Ralph Nader is a media whore......... 4bucksagallon Jun 2013 #295

I partly blame Nader. Hell B Calm Jun 2013 #296

We would be living in abject paradise. burnodo Jun 2013 #305

Correct. Orsino Jun 2013 #297

Love all the strawman arguments Rain Mcloud Jun 2013 #302

I hope you mean the straw men used to support the contention of this OP. great white snark Jun 2013 #309

Wow! Are we so bored we have to fight over this again? It reminds me... TreasonousBastard Jun 2013 #303

Yes he did. And because of that his legacy to America is now a gigantic net minus. mikekohr Jun 2013 #306

You can't rewrite history, if not for Nader there would NOT have been Supremes intervention DainBramaged Jun 2013 #307

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! grattsl Jun 2013 #310

Not this shit again. Iggo Jun 2013 #311

Nonsense JGug1 Jun 2013 #312

Ralph Nader pulled enough votes from Gore to enable Bush to steal the election. UCmeNdc Jun 2013 #315

Kicking the hornet's nest, eh? gtar100 Jun 2013 #318

Correct. nt LWolf Jun 2013 #322

I love when this topic comes up on DU... Javaman Jun 2013 #323

The fix was in. There is NO WAY the Petroleum Mafia was going to allow Al Gore to ... Raster Jun 2013 #324

Nader doesn't run, then Gore wins. Is that so fucking hard to understand???? HERVEPA Jun 2013 #326

RALPH NADER LIED and CIVIL RIGHTS DIED. Both statements are 100% verifiable and true. graham4anything Jun 2013 #327

As I've been saying for 12+ years... Xithras Jun 2013 #328

Think how much better off we would be today JEB Jun 2013 #330