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gcomeau

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200. One group helping swing it...

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 02:14 PM

Jun 2013

...doesn't negate another group helping swing it.

Nader runing = Bush win.
Nader not Running = Gore win.

Fact.

Yes, you can ALSO say:

Reagan Democrats voting Bush = Bush Win
Reagan Democrats voting Gore = Gore win.

Doesn't alter the first point however. So no, I'm not the one in denial of fact.

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Ralph Nader Did Not Cost Al Gore the 2000 Presidential Election [View all] erpowers Jun 2013 OP

So true. Autumn Jun 2013 #1

Yep. And if we add the Reagan Democrats for Bush to that, Nader Zorra Jun 2013 #63

Wrong! Votes for Nader contributed to the outcome of the election! brush Jun 2013 #130

When the actual votes were all counted, Al Gore had won. Autumn Jun 2013 #139

When the votes are counted you don't have to win big. You just have to count the votes. Autumn Jun 2013 #190

Because it was so close they could get away with it. And they did. brush Jun 2013 #249

Yes that's what you said. Autumn Jun 2013 #251

Blah, Blah, Blah, BillyRibs Jun 2013 #293

Wrong. Nader was the SINGLE person who held the election in his hands. pnwmom Jun 2013 #185

I 100% Agree BehindTheCurtain76 Jun 2013 #287

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #2

+4 (the 4 votes in New Hampshire. RALPH Nader, THIS is YOUR legacy. You broke it, YOU own it. graham4anything Jun 2013 #7

That's a moronic postion and you should be ashamed for posting blather byeya Jun 2013 #11

The OP is ignoring history and the facts Gothmog Jun 2013 #166

The exit polls from 1992 do not support the claim that Perot threw the election to Bush (eom) StevieM Jun 2013 #215

yep libodem Jun 2013 #256

That is a factual position gcomeau Jun 2013 #179

I'm sure the US Supreme Court, Katherine Harris, or Jeb Bush had nothing to do with Bush winning. Apophis Jun 2013 #17

Not to mention confusing Palm Beach butterfly ballots. Fuddnik Jun 2013 #183

Which were agreed to by Democratic party election officials. former9thward Jun 2013 #198

The designer, Theresa LaPore, had been a registered Republican all her life. BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #278

Regardless both parties signed off on it. former9thward Jun 2013 #329

Maybe you need to review that statement IF you're a Democrat: BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #332

LOL former9thward Jun 2013 #338

Like I've already written in my post BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #339

Yep. And other than Republicans and Republican Party supporters, no one believes otherwise. BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #333

+1,000,000,000. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #27

Is there a difference? momrois Jun 2013 #98

No one held a gun to Gore's head and forced him to concede. Gore chose to HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #126

I call them Paul-Bots! n/t aggiesal Jun 2013 #227

This thinking supposes that those Nader voters didn't have a say in the matter. mattclearing Jun 2013 #31

he did enough sniping with his blather, that there was no difference between both parties, and he still_one Jun 2013 #65

A politician campaigning... TommyCelt Jun 2013 #222

He was never a politician, never held elected office, and his only claim to being a BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #279

What's your point? TommyCelt Jun 2013 #308

Doesn't matter. mattclearing Jun 2013 #325

What State(s) Did Nader Cost Gore? erpowers Jun 2013 #34

Florida. Which would have made Gore president. Pay attention. gcomeau Jun 2013 #64

100,000+ registered dems in FL voted for bush.. frylock Jun 2013 #111

Yep. gcomeau Jun 2013 #172

it was the reagan democrats that helped to swing the election for bush.. frylock Jun 2013 #181

One group helping swing it... gcomeau Jun 2013 #200

so what's your solution? frylock Jun 2013 #203

Ummmm.. gcomeau Jun 2013 #207

yeah, you're done, son. frylock Jun 2013 #210

Indeed. Glad you caught up. -eom gcomeau Jun 2013 #214

And the OP actually bothered to back up his argument nxylas Jun 2013 #298

Try reading the thread. gcomeau Jun 2013 #314

Can you prove your "fact?" ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #268

Yes. gcomeau Jun 2013 #272

The votes weren't Gore's... TommyCelt Jun 2013 #114

From what I remember of the race, Gore violated the first precept of HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #132

what I remember of the race also......... lunasun Jun 2013 #280

In other words gcomeau Jun 2013 #173

Don't "in other words" me... TommyCelt Jun 2013 #182

But it was. gcomeau Jun 2013 #195

Ralph Nader was not a Democrat. TommyCelt Jun 2013 #217

And I should care about that why? gcomeau Jun 2013 #221

OK...so continue your bitchin' TommyCelt Jun 2013 #224

It's an inescapable fact. cheapdate Jun 2013 #266

here you go hfojvt Jun 2013 #267

Too bad the people in Floriduh can't count. RoccoR5955 Jun 2013 #66

We can count just fine demwing Jun 2013 #91

Heaven forbid we actually honor the concept of democracy newthinking Jun 2013 #88

"... close enough for the repukes to steal it". Hosnon Jun 2013 #99

Not illegal, just dumb demwing Jun 2013 #147

Succinct. And correct! +1000! nt MADem Jun 2013 #100

Wow, what an open-minded response. Not! I certainly understand your despite need to rhett o rick Jun 2013 #102

I've never understood why some alsame Jun 2013 #3

I also blame ANY ONE who did NOT vote for Jimmy Carter in 1980. ANY ONE. graham4anything Jun 2013 #8

Yes, but that's a different issue. I don't think 1980 was alsame Jun 2013 #15

that came after NH and the 4 electoral votes that would have given Al Gore 270. graham4anything Jun 2013 #26

"never again will any true democratic supporter ever vote third party." Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #32

That is for sure /nt still_one Jun 2013 #70

+1,000. That cannot be said often enough. Begone, ratfuckers. freshwest Jun 2013 #233

Needs a capital D to be truthful. eom TransitJohn Jun 2013 #299

I know, why cover for the Felonious Five? I don't get that either. The SC stole sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #13

third way dems datasuspect Jun 2013 #21

LOL ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #49

Over the years, especially during Bushco, alsame Jun 2013 #96

Some of us can walk and chew gum and blame multiple people at once ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #153

In that case, I am clearly not referring to alsame Jun 2013 #202

even gore, who personally shut down the black caucus protest HiPointDem Jun 2013 #289

Gore was shamed into giving up ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #320

'shamed'. if he can be 'shamed' into giving up an election he *won,* what would he be as HiPointDem Jun 2013 #335

It was over....there was no out left for him ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #336

vote fraud isn't an out? legal challenge isn't an out? protest isn't an out? gore curled up HiPointDem Jun 2013 #337

When the votes were counted after the corrupt court, Al Gore had won the election. Autumn Jun 2013 #53

If Nader had not run... Nitram Jun 2013 #86

The Anti-LABOR, Free Trading, Deregulating, "Centrist" Clinton Administration CREATED Nader. bvar22 Jun 2013 #142

Bingo! Exactly right. RufusTFirefly Jun 2013 #158

Yes. What we suffered and continue to suffer is nothing less than a corporate coup. raouldukelives Jun 2013 #170

+1 HiPointDem Jun 2013 #290

Fucking-A. TransitJohn Jun 2013 #300

People are attempting to re-write history Gothmog Jun 2013 #164

Better go tell Al Gore, bvar22 Jun 2013 #223

Bush* wasn't elected or re-elected. TransitJohn Jun 2013 #301

it prevents cognitive dissonance when Dems provide the sine qua non votes for the IWR MisterP Jun 2013 #157

nailed it! frylock Jun 2013 #188

Yes. nt alsame Jun 2013 #204

You're right, however... TDale313 Jun 2013 #4

Studies have been conducted that have shown that ... Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #5

No one needs studies to know that the SC stole the 2000 election. Everyone knows that, even sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #18

So why make this about Ralph Nader? No Nader, no SC decision. Period. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #35

Thread Winner!!!! I guess it's true that a picture is worth a thousand words. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #37

Thanks for cleaning up the room! LOL at that graphic! freshwest Jun 2013 #234

The issue is New Hampshire, not Florida Recursion Jun 2013 #6

No, the issue is that the SC committed a treasonous act and installed someone who lost an sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #20

I guess the new DU loves Nader... tridim Jun 2013 #9

Looks more like the new DU loves the criminals on the SC who stole an election and sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #25

There Reasons erpowers Jun 2013 #50

Nader has very progressive policy positions Maedhros Jun 2013 #121

No, he expresses very progressive policy positions jeff47 Jun 2013 #159

He supports progressive policies Maedhros Jun 2013 #187

Exactly Right. bvar22 Jun 2013 #213

Correct. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #10

Yes he fucking did. LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #12

You are full of the last word in your post byeya Jun 2013 #16

No, I'm not. You are a revisionist. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #29

This.^^ Skidmore Jun 2013 #19

Nader had zero to do with the 2000 election theft. Gore won, so how do you explain that? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #28

Zero?? RockaFowler Jun 2013 #36

If Gore wanted the votes that went to Nader Maedhros Jun 2013 #125

+10000! Blaming Nader is a pathetic loser tactic beneath the dignity of true Democrats RufusTFirefly Jun 2013 #155

Did you even read my post? Wow LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #38

So a politician lied about something? Show me one who hasn't. That has zero to do with the crime sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #60

Bullshit "it had zero to do with the crime". He drove the fucking getaway car. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #83

No, he didn't. I've never been a Nader supporter, but he had as much right to campaign winter is coming Jun 2013 #90

Yes... he did. LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #109

Nader wasn't responsible for the butterfly ballot, or the Brooks Brothers mob, or the SC decision. winter is coming Jun 2013 #122

He was responsible for making it close enough for those to matter. jeff47 Jun 2013 #161

Nope. If he'd had no appeal, he'd have gotten no votes. winter is coming Jun 2013 #176

You might want tailor your reply to the post you are replying to. jeff47 Jun 2013 #184

Nader's actions are a reason not to take him seriously, winter is coming Jun 2013 #189

oh fuck that. "Gore quells challenge to Bush win" HiPointDem Jun 2013 #291

That was after the theft occurred, and you know it. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #313

The theft was ongoing, and Gore shutting up the challenge was part of it. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #334

He made it close enough to steal... tinrobot Jun 2013 #171

Yes. Gore won the election and it was stolen from him, He did not put up much of a fight either. byeya Jun 2013 #14

those are the facts G_j Jun 2013 #22

If Nader hadn't run, Gore would have been president bhikkhu Jun 2013 #23

That election would have been stolen if Nader had never existed. Bush was appointed and would sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #33

Again, this is bullshit. Nader helped them steal it, and no amount of posturing changes that. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #41

BS. The election had to be close enough to steal bhikkhu Jun 2013 #48

"Keep that in mind whenever the repugs put money into a left-leaning third-party candidate." Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #44

Stein, who said she sort of wanted Romney to win.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #54

They only help the Republicans, which is why I despise them so much. Nader knew exactly what... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #105

This. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #55

and if my aunt had nads, she'd be my uncle.. frylock Jun 2013 #193

Not what the UMICH study I saw in 2002 said... JCMach1 Jun 2013 #24

there's plenty of blame to go around carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #30

What those who are trying to cover for the SC are saying is that we do not have a democratic sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #39

Gore would have won NH - and that would have made him President without Florida karynnj Jun 2013 #40

Interesting that those who blame Nader votores never mention markiv Jun 2013 #42

I guess is you say it enough times some people might believe you but most of us know OregonBlue Jun 2013 #43

Another excellent post! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #47

How many third party voters will rec this thread? freshwest Jun 2013 #235

I hate the fuckers! They're too lazy and/or stupid to build their own infrastructure, so.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #236

Yup, libertarians love to get stuff for free. Skinner's site is too good not to steal. freshwest Jun 2013 #237

Ralph played his part in the Perfect Storm ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #45

"Fuck Bush, Fuck the SCOTUS, Fuck Nader, Fuck Jill Stein, and Fuck the Greenies". Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #51

Oh, also.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #57

Basically... TommyCelt Jun 2013 #123

Pretty much!!! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #127

Your Uncle Adolf would be proud... TommyCelt Jun 2013 #137

You leave my Uncle Adolf alone!!!!!! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #150

Seriously, THD.... TommyCelt Jun 2013 #154

Tell it, PTBBIR!!! freshwest Jun 2013 #238

Just imagine if Nader had appeared on a platform with Gore a few days before the election. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #46

Exactly. moondust Jun 2013 #67

We don't agree all the time, I agree with this. graham4anything Jun 2013 #82

That's a nice thought, but ... Martin Eden Jun 2013 #259

Imagine if Nader had been allowed to debate Gore burnodo Jun 2013 #261

When one cannot win their own freaking home state bigwillq Jun 2013 #52

His freaking home state thinks Marcia Blackburn is worthy of elected office. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #58

His home state voted for Clinton/Gore in 1996 bigwillq Jun 2013 #95

Because his home state is stupid? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #156

Where they stupid in 1996? bigwillq Jun 2013 #192

Our governor is a backwards moron, too Rob H. Jun 2013 #321

and Clinton ran far more conservative than Gore was seen by 2000 JI7 Jun 2013 #230

Correct rock Jun 2013 #56

not by himself he didn't.. to say he wasn't a big factor in it is ludicrous... dionysus Jun 2013 #59

Anyone who thinks he did is lazy, stupid or a republican. morningfog Jun 2013 #61

well said and so true. bbgrunt Jun 2013 #148

+1, nails it. Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #231

There was more than just Florida that was lost cause nader was on the ballot. This is his legacy, still_one Jun 2013 #62

Nader put Florida within stealing distance arely staircase Jun 2013 #68

President Obama won re-election decisively RufusTFirefly Jun 2013 #162

I think he is an awesome president arely staircase Jun 2013 #163

Whether he did or not... NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #69

who said he didn't have that right? arely staircase Jun 2013 #73

Yes, it was his right, and he ignored overtures from the Democratic party to work with him if he still_one Jun 2013 #76

500,000 more votes is not enough to win. We needed Naders voters too ...in la la land. L0oniX Jun 2013 #71

Considering one of the biggest and nastiest trolls on this site used that as his battle cry Hydra Jun 2013 #72

The people who voted for Ralph Nader cost Gore the election. lastlib Jun 2013 #74

Yup, and they can't live with it, so they create posts like the OP. gulliver Jun 2013 #247

Only if they would have voted for Gore if Nader hadn't ran. ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #269

97,400 Nader votes in FL. Bush won by 537. sofa king Jun 2013 #75

100,000+ registered Dems voted for Bush in Fl... TommyCelt Jun 2013 #119

Which alters the figures you were responding to HOW? -eom gcomeau Jun 2013 #177

what do you think? frylock Jun 2013 #194

That it *didn't*. Hence my question. -eom gcomeau Jun 2013 #196

so 97,000>100,000+? frylock Jun 2013 #199

No... gcomeau Jun 2013 #201

i'm rolling them at you.. frylock Jun 2013 #206

If you insist... gcomeau Jun 2013 #208

Bush won by 537? burnodo Jun 2013 #264

Yeah, I think it means that much. sofa king Jun 2013 #282

Somehow Nader and Nader voters are more responsible burnodo Jun 2013 #304

Yes, they are. sofa king Jun 2013 #331

Wow. Now I understand the heat on this issue. Thanks for the stats. freshwest Jun 2013 #275

Bull. Shit. gcomeau Jun 2013 #77

But the world is so much easier Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #78

F*ck Nadir. n/t BlueToTheBone Jun 2013 #79

Maureen Dowd is as much to blame for Gore's loss as is Nader Orrex Jun 2013 #80

Both things can be true at the same time Just Saying Jun 2013 #81

My god iandhr Jun 2013 #84

by odin's beard, 100,000+ registered dems voted for bush in FL!!1 frylock Jun 2013 #197

I have a DU censor vote to prove that he did. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #85

If Gore sabbat hunter Jun 2013 #87

and the moon is made of green cheese! whistler162 Jun 2013 #89

Still feeling guilty? Renew Deal Jun 2013 #92

No erpowers Jun 2013 #218

It's not one or the other, it's both. They both get the blame - Supreme Court AND Nader. Dawgs Jun 2013 #316

No erpowers Jun 2013 #317

But Nader and the Supreme Court are two completely different things. Dawgs Jun 2013 #319

Lieberman had a larger effect than Nader. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2013 #93

Let's ask him the next time he comes out of his hole. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2013 #94

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #97

And Strom Thurmond was once JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #140

What did 'Name Removed' say? Someone turned on the... freshwest Jun 2013 #241

It means JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #245

There are people who will never accept the truth of what you say Cal Carpenter Jun 2013 #101

and...it is totally anti-democratic to blame a participant in this so-called democracy noiretextatique Jun 2013 #103

"Butterfly ballot" in Palm Beach County cost Gore hundreds of votes davidn3600 Jun 2013 #104

He was part of the problem riqster Jun 2013 #106

wtf? how can people deny facts and history so blithely? cali Jun 2013 #107

+1000 n/t ColesCountyDem Jun 2013 #112

Nader cost Gore the election Democat Jun 2013 #115

well, Nader and the Supreme Court. Gore won cali Jun 2013 #118

WTF? Gore did win and the SC stole it, regardless of Nader Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #232

Here Is An Article erpowers Jun 2013 #243

His math is baloney. Jim Lane Jun 2013 #265

Nader's presence on the ballot made this theft possible Zambero Jun 2013 #108

FLAW: The question about Nader-voters not otherwise voting for Gore, is in retrospect. Had there WinkyDink Jun 2013 #110

Thank you! City Lights Jun 2013 #113

Even if he did, that's the price we pay for democracy stupidicus Jun 2013 #116

WTF are we doing worrying about 13 years ago????? groundloop Jun 2013 #117

Never could have gone to the SCOTUS without Nader. caseymoz Jun 2013 #120

Bullshit. The studies showed that Gore would have had a plurality of 12,000 votes BEFORE SCOTUS. onehandle Jun 2013 #124

rbn JEFF9K Jun 2013 #128

People have been voting against their own interest long before Faux News ever came to light. demosincebirth Jun 2013 #141

Are we still talking about Nader? mzmolly Jun 2013 #129

+1 meegbear Jun 2013 #133

And let's not forget the US Senate, either. Kerry, Feingold, not one Democrat would stand up Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #131

Please explain where would those votes for Nader had gone to if he hadn't run for president that demosincebirth Jun 2013 #134

This is accurate. PDittie Jun 2013 #135

those who insist on blaming Nader are like Faux News viewers who just bbgrunt Jun 2013 #136

Florida may not have been the deciding state upaloopa Jun 2013 #138

This post was alerted on. The jury voted 5/1 to let it stand. ohiosmith Jun 2013 #143

A toast for The Jury! bvar22 Jun 2013 #216

Cheers! ohiosmith Jun 2013 #226

I always say that Bush LittleGirl Jun 2013 #144

******>>>>> Here's your official Nader Jury Results limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #145

sorry dem loyalists but the gore lieberman ticket SUCKED! boilerbabe Jun 2013 #146

You're correct. Nader didn't cost Gore the election. But it's heresy to say that here... truth2power Jun 2013 #149

This discussion is so turn of the century Tobin S. Jun 2013 #151

deja vu helps me remember that DU had plenty of pointless arguments even in the good old days carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #252

if Nader wasnt on the ballot Gore would have been president. Nader gave us bush. Period. bowens43 Jun 2013 #152

Exactly. That's a fact the Naderites still refuse to accept BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #281

You'll never get anywhere with this.. Al Gore himself told me it wasn't Nader that cost him SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #160

He said the same thing in an interview with Jon Stewart, bvar22 Jun 2013 #219

I blame Obama. SpankMe Jun 2013 #165

Always the safest position on DU... freshwest Jun 2013 #242

you forgot the biggest player of them all RedstDem Jun 2013 #167

Nader? Cronus Protagonist Jun 2013 #168

Video of W and Jeb Bush saying they're going to win in FL is in Fahrenheit 9/11. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #169

Yes he did. One of the 99 Jun 2013 #174

I never did blame Ralph Nader. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #175

Why is it so hard for some to understand.... Whiskeytide Jun 2013 #178

May Ralph rot in the obscurity he so richly deserves surrounded by fawning syncophants Rowdyboy Jun 2013 #180

Ralph Nader Should Rot in Hell louis c Jun 2013 #186

You might be in that position but Nader won't. former9thward Jun 2013 #205

This. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2013 #294

Ralph Nader will be remembered for the 2000 election louis c Jul 2013 #340

Who am I? former9thward Jul 2013 #341

Just like Ralph Nader, you are confusing opinions for facts louis c Jul 2013 #342

Gore needed 2/3 of 1 percent of Nader's FL votes krawhitham Jun 2013 #191

you will not convince those who keep blaming Nader because they always blame the left and suck up to yurbud Jun 2013 #209

Revisionism! Coyotl Jun 2013 #211

If Bill Clinton hadn't hired Dick Morris and told progressives to get bent Adenoid_Hynkel Jun 2013 #212

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #220

I completely disagree jmowreader Jun 2013 #225

Well, I voted for Gore. But lets face it, he ran a poor campaign. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #228

Excellent post, reality apparently hurts some people's minds Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #229

If wishing made it so, you would be right. Unfortunately the facts make you wrong. nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #239

+1 freshwest Jun 2013 #276

The Usual Suspect always derailed the 2000 Theft Rex Jun 2013 #240

there were many factors but Nader was definitely one of them Skittles Jun 2013 #244

apples to oranges, it was all of the above but Nader was part of it Hamlette Jun 2013 #246

Yes he did. Itchinjim Jun 2013 #248

Bull. Count on your fingers. MrModerate Jun 2013 #250

Gore should have appealed to the voters he lost rather than the usual fuckwittery of TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #253

I see a lot of folks … 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #254

OK... but Nader's still an asshole. nt Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2013 #255

Nader's not an Asshole. Martin Eden Jun 2013 #257

Those dang Gore voters cost Nader the Presidency. JEB Jun 2013 #258

A question for you about the "studies" Jim Lane Jun 2013 #260

Your points are quite irrelevent. Nader lied. grantcart Jun 2013 #262

Yes. He. Did. Give me a fucking break. Fuck Nader and the Naderfucktards. we can do it Jun 2013 #263

Gore lost Tennessee, West Virginia and New Hampshire rpannier Jun 2013 #270

As William Shatner would say: BootinUp Jun 2013 #271

No defense but finger pointing creeksneakers2 Jun 2013 #273

Horse manure. The blood of Afghanistan and Iraq is on Nader's hands Gman Jun 2013 #274

you mean to tell me those 22000 people in New Hampshire.. LSK Jun 2013 #277

without Nader's bullshit sad-cafe Jun 2013 #283

Sorry, but he did. Rooting for the Dems Jun 2013 #284

I absolutely disagree with you. Nader cost Gore NH and FL. Look at the exit polls and the results.. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #285

Rec # 100. nt Bonobo Jun 2013 #286

i think gore cost nader the election. makes about as much sense. elections don't 'belong' HiPointDem Jun 2013 #288

I know your are right, but it's as Pearls Before Swine. BillyRibs Jun 2013 #292

Ralph Nader is a media whore......... 4bucksagallon Jun 2013 #295

I partly blame Nader. Hell B Calm Jun 2013 #296

We would be living in abject paradise. burnodo Jun 2013 #305

Correct. Orsino Jun 2013 #297

Love all the strawman arguments Rain Mcloud Jun 2013 #302

I hope you mean the straw men used to support the contention of this OP. great white snark Jun 2013 #309

Wow! Are we so bored we have to fight over this again? It reminds me... TreasonousBastard Jun 2013 #303

Yes he did. And because of that his legacy to America is now a gigantic net minus. mikekohr Jun 2013 #306

You can't rewrite history, if not for Nader there would NOT have been Supremes intervention DainBramaged Jun 2013 #307

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! grattsl Jun 2013 #310

Not this shit again. Iggo Jun 2013 #311

Nonsense JGug1 Jun 2013 #312

Ralph Nader pulled enough votes from Gore to enable Bush to steal the election. UCmeNdc Jun 2013 #315

Kicking the hornet's nest, eh? gtar100 Jun 2013 #318

Correct. nt LWolf Jun 2013 #322

I love when this topic comes up on DU... Javaman Jun 2013 #323

The fix was in. There is NO WAY the Petroleum Mafia was going to allow Al Gore to ... Raster Jun 2013 #324

Nader doesn't run, then Gore wins. Is that so fucking hard to understand???? HERVEPA Jun 2013 #326

RALPH NADER LIED and CIVIL RIGHTS DIED. Both statements are 100% verifiable and true. graham4anything Jun 2013 #327

As I've been saying for 12+ years... Xithras Jun 2013 #328

Think how much better off we would be today JEB Jun 2013 #330