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LaydeeBug

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61. Link to what or it did not happen? Nader saying he wanted Bush over Gore? Would that help you?

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Tue Jun 25, 2013, 01:14 PM

Jun 2013

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Ralph Nader ABSOLUTELY Helped Cost President Gore the Election in 2000 despite these revisionists [View all] LaydeeBug Jun 2013 OP

NH and their 4 votes would have put Gore over 270 without Florida. graham4anything Jun 2013 #1

This is very true, but that doesn't mean that Nader had nothing to do with abetting the theft in LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #3

It has been true since 8pm eastern on election day 2000 graham4anything Jun 2013 #14

ummmm...I agree, and then, not so much... LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #19

Yes, if all the votes were there and counted, Al Gore won a landslide (100,000 votes in Florida???) graham4anything Jun 2013 #26

Now I am just getting confused, please clear things up for me A Simple Game Jun 2013 #96

Ralph Nader himself made sure that a 3rd party vote will never interfere with the democratic party graham4anything Jun 2013 #100

There are lots of other possible scenarios riqster Jun 2013 #6

Exactly! Thank you! eom BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #130

Exactly. They can push all the other reasons why Gore lost but the Main Cha Jun 2013 #137

So what? Nader was a single individual, advocating for progressivism, pnwmom Jun 2013 #62

No. He wasn't. He was a wolf in sheep's clothing and he wanted BUSH over Gore and said as much LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #66

We have been paying for nader's arrogance since 2000, and it isn't getting better still_one Jun 2013 #2

absolutely. And I will not suffer revisionists. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #5

LOL G_j Jun 2013 #28

Oh, I know. These people are a *scream* LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #29

the Congressional Black Caucus: G_j Jun 2013 #36

Thank you for posting that. Facts matter. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #49

+1 he doesn't sound "clearly sympathetic" to me. he sounds like he blocked them. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #67

I cried when I watched this as it was happening. LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #70

but that was nader's fault too! noiretextatique Jun 2013 #42

Nope...he just helped them. LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #47

THEY did not need any help...pleae try to grasp this noiretextatique Jun 2013 #53

and yet, HE helped them anyway..please try to grasp that. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #54

that's just beyond idiotic noiretextatique Jun 2013 #94

Nice try. No dice. LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #115

that's heaven05 Jun 2013 #93

nader is mostly irrelevant noiretextatique Jun 2013 #95

Yes, thanks for reminding me there's even more to be pissed about. I shouldn't okaawhatever Jun 2013 #78

+1000 Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #76

In the other thread, I argued that Nader cost Gore the election. Being a true contrarian... Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #4

Without Nader, there would've been a President Gore. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2013 #7

^^this^^ nt LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #71

R#4 & K n/t UTUSN Jun 2013 #8

It's kind of strange that your own OP contradicts yourself, but... Bonobo Jun 2013 #9

and of course, the registered dems that voted for bush get a free pass frylock Jun 2013 #12

That too. nt Bonobo Jun 2013 #13

There are many wolves in sheep's clothing, pity you don't see Nader as such LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #24

Link or it didn't happen. Nt Bonobo Jun 2013 #25

Link to what or it did not happen? Nader saying he wanted Bush over Gore? Would that help you? LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #61

you're the revisionist in this scenario.. frylock Jun 2013 #31

Nope. I'm not. Pity you can't remember the truth, but I lived it LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #63

yeah, the rest of us were in suspended animation under rocks. only *you* 'lived it'. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #69

let's entertain for just one second your fantasy that ralph nader single-handedly cost gore.. frylock Jun 2013 #79

they sure as hell do noiretextatique Jun 2013 #43

It's even more strange that the contradiction is what happened, but considering back pedaling and LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #21

Honey? ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #48

Terms of endearment are not always meant for condescension LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #52

No, it doesn't. gcomeau Jun 2013 #104

tell that to the 100,000+ registered dems in FL that voted for bush.. frylock Jun 2013 #10

What gives... gcomeau Jun 2013 #105

he has superhuman powers! frylock Jun 2013 #107

Now you're just being a child... gcomeau Jun 2013 #108

yeh, that's what i'm doing... singlehandedly!!112! frylock Jun 2013 #109

Way to effectively reinforce the point. Bravo. -eom gcomeau Jun 2013 #112

that's me. the one with the childlike world view.. frylock Jun 2013 #113

Nader forced Clinton, Gore and Obama to support trade deals and H-1b visas markiv Jun 2013 #11

If Gore wanted the votes of the left, he should have appealed to the left. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #15

wrong, he needed support of corporatists, and obedience from the left markiv Jun 2013 #17

The bottom line. IMHO. marybourg Jun 2013 #20

Gore *GOT* the votes from the left because he WON THE FUCKING ELECTION LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #27

if gore won, then what's you're fucking beef with nader voters? frylock Jun 2013 #32

I have no fucking beef with Nader voters. I have a fucking beef with Nader LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #58

Wait. So now you're saying Gore won? leftstreet Jun 2013 #35

He got the votes of the left and won. But, the left didn't vote for him so he lost? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #55

Holy convoluted Batman! Your post ASSumes the votes were actually counted... LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #65

So, what is it? It's Naders fault the votes weren't counted? Or, the people who did the counting? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #75

This is CT and has no business in GD. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #16

I think using the word "helped" makes this a fair and valid argument. NCTraveler Jun 2013 #18

katherine harris, jeb bush and SCOTUS cost gore the election noiretextatique Jun 2013 #22

Hammer meets nail! Posts like yours are why need individual Rec function. Thanks! Melinda Jun 2013 #38

+1000 noiretextatique Jun 2013 #40

Yep, Nader didn't have caging lists, unverified electronic voting machines, the Supreme Court... arcane1 Jun 2013 #129

Katherine Harris, SCOTUS et al, stole it with Nader driving the getaway car... LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #60

bullshit noiretextatique Jun 2013 #81

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #23

Nader couldn't take votes from Gore if people ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #50

Pat Buchanan took more votes from Bush in Florida, than Nader took. Fuddnik Jun 2013 #87

yes he did Skittles Jun 2013 #30

Why did so many people vote for Nader when they knew it would be a tight race... Jarla Jun 2013 #33

Good question. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #91

or the people who voted for Nader did. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #34

Ugh. Apophis Jun 2013 #37

Honestly, I don't give a shit. MattSh Jun 2013 #39

False. PDittie Jun 2013 #41

Hahaha a *blog*. Quick! I'll link to a blog that says he stole it single-handedly. LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #68

That's not a rebuttal. PDittie Jun 2013 #101

Yes it was LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #114

The Centrist, Anti-LABOR, Free Trading, Deregulating Clinton Administration CREATED Nader. bvar22 Jun 2013 #44

Bullshit. Nader was around & seeking POTUS long before Bill Clinton was ever elected anything. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #72

I didn't mean created him in the biblical sense. bvar22 Jun 2013 #85

So H. Ross Perot, who got 19% of the vote, unfairly and cravenly deprived G.H.W.Bush of his rightful byeya Jun 2013 #45

And many on the right said Clinton was not "legitimately" president thanks to Perot's 19%. arcane1 Jun 2013 #131

After 13 years, GTF over it. Daemonaquila Jun 2013 #46

Exactly. If there's one thing about this whole discussion that pisses me off... beerandjesus Jun 2013 #86

No doubt bobduca Jun 2013 #139

This is material designed to absolve Republican theft and Democratic cowardice. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #51

+1000 noiretextatique Jun 2013 #57

^ This. Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #136

Those instances happened AFTER Ralph drove the get away car on the theft of democracy LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #140

when democratic politicians lose votes to third parties it is the democratic politicians' fault, not liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #56

These Nader threads are pathetic. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #59

they know voters are unhappy and want to make sure we know if we don't vote the way we are told liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #80

You've completely missed the point. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #64

+1 HiPointDem Jun 2013 #73

It seems you're missing the point. LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #74

First, you don't seem to understand the basic concepts on which our government Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #116

Oh no, I do. YOU don't seem to understand the letter of the law and the spirit of those laws... LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #117

Rhetoric. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #120

Awww...you even cut and pasted, and yet I've still used the term properly. LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #121

Hey, no problem. If getting your righteous outrage on let's you pretend it's all Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #142

exactly...which i why i call them "democrats against democracy" noiretextatique Jun 2013 #84

Blaming Nader achieves nothing. Maedhros Jun 2013 #88

The word "helped" but NOT cause Politicalboi Jun 2013 #77

Ding Ding Ding iandhr Jun 2013 #82

100% agree SCantiGOP Jun 2013 #83

Exactly. I fear many on DU are happy to repeat that mistake. nt SunSeeker Jun 2013 #89

It was President/Senator/Congressman Nader OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #90

Nope. It was candidate Nader saying there's no difference between Gore and Bush. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #118

All I can say is... mikeysnot Jun 2013 #92

Note to Nader and all other supporters of 3rd parties: Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #97

Both parties have been bought by the 1%. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #99

How about prosecuting illegal wars, OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #103

A friggin' MEN Jamaal510 great white snark Jun 2013 #110

Bottom line: SCOTUS unconscionably stopped the recount. Ralph yam what he yam and that's all struggle4progress Jun 2013 #98

A dumb electorate cost Gore the election Auggie Jun 2013 #102

I HATE RALPH NADER trueblue2007 Jun 2013 #106

NO I HATE HIM MORE bobduca Jun 2013 #138

Pope of the PROFESSIONAL "Left". I've been asking his gatekeepers since 2009 who. . . Aunt Bold Ire8 Nov 2015 #146

Sad but goddamn true. n/t AverageJoe90 Jun 2013 #111

The premise of your OP proves your last sentence. n/t flvegan Jun 2013 #119

Yup Harris had no role in this nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #122

I am wondering where I said Katherine Harris has no role in this. LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #124

Sorry if I care not for the two minutes of hate nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #125

um...ok. Whatevs. LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #127

Hey, they are predictable nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #128

I've changed my opinion on the whole thing over the years. Skip Intro Jun 2013 #123

If true so what? Do you think Gore was entitled to those votes? Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #126

A future that never happens is hard to defend. The Nader lovers will hit you with every bluestate10 Jun 2013 #132

Boo fucking hoo RetroLounge Jun 2013 #133

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #134

Exactly, LaydeeBug.. righteous rant! Cha Jun 2013 #135

Oh Good Lord, didn't you watch Fahrenheit 9/11 for the clip of George and Jeb when W says Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #141

Revisionists. LWolf Jun 2013 #143

Oh my. sure. whatever. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #144

Our War on Iraq, Nader's first salvo in his strategy of Disaster Anti-Capitalism Aunt Bold Ire8 Nov 2015 #145