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In reply to the discussion: For some, the goal is to portray the program as a crime [View all]KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)57. The goal should be to stop any ongoing unconstitutional practices. Period.
Also since you seem to have an issue with the phrase "criminally subverting the Constitution" let me ask -- is there a way to subvert the Constitution which is NOT criminal?
Any law which gets passed which is unconstitutional is invalid and therefore cannot excuse or protect unconstitutional practices.
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Sorry, it's not the intent of any law to give the government records of all telephone calls.
grahamhgreen
Jun 2013
#64
Right, like what a police state would do. Not the intent of any law. Violates 4th amendment. Illegal
grahamhgreen
Jun 2013
#67
Right, like what a police state would do. Not the intent of any law. Violates 4th amendment. Illegal
grahamhgreen
Jun 2013
#68
Interesting thread.. given you just posted a flimsy Business Insider article
avaistheone1
Jun 2013
#31
right. one couldn't possibly be against the massive expansion of surveillance unless one
cali
Jun 2013
#5
Maybe not criminal, in the legal sense, but certainly unjustifiable, in the moral sense.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#6
"We can have an informed debate about the wisdom of this law only if we know what our courts..."
ProSense
Jun 2013
#55
Total BS, simple Authoritarian argument. "It's the Law, so it must be ok...!"
Katashi_itto
Jun 2013
#85
The usual authoritarian response "it's legal" ...should have sleeping pills dispensed with it.
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#14
It's odd. Fox 'news' calls Snowden a hero; Boehner says he is a traitor. McConnell says he should be
AlinPA
Jun 2013
#16
I will defend him when people lie and say that he killed social security with "chained CPI"
tridim
Jun 2013
#29
Yup, cause they want to, cause they can get away with, cause it brings power, cause it is profitable
TheKentuckian
Jun 2013
#38
lol - sure every damned progressive on this board lost their mind and voted for Romney.
TBF
Jun 2013
#45
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a duck"
avaistheone1
Jun 2013
#35
It is up to us to put pressure on them to recall the law that makes it legal.
liberal_at_heart
Jun 2013
#62
People on this web site call it illegal even when told POINT BLANK that it's not
Number23
Jun 2013
#73