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L0oniX

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11. WTF

Reply to EC (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 12, 2013, 02:16 PM

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For some, the goal is to portray the program as a crime [View all] ProSense Jun 2013 OP

And for some, the goal is to whitewash everything the administration does LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #1

So you're OK with people spinning this as a "crime"? n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #2

It is a crime, people. Why hate on our freedoms? grahamhgreen Jun 2013 #8

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #44

crime is a real word veganlush Jun 2013 #51

Sorry, it's not the intent of any law to give the government records of all telephone calls. grahamhgreen Jun 2013 #64

it's call LOGS veganlush Jun 2013 #65

Right, like what a police state would do. Not the intent of any law. Violates 4th amendment. Illegal grahamhgreen Jun 2013 #67

you,re not saying veganlush Jun 2013 #76

crime would mean it's iilegal. veganlush Jun 2013 #66

Right, like what a police state would do. Not the intent of any law. Violates 4th amendment. Illegal grahamhgreen Jun 2013 #68

then you havent read veganlush Jun 2013 #74

Interesting thread.. given you just posted a flimsy Business Insider article avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #31

+1 ...and very consitant about it. For some the POTUS is the perfect g0d. L0oniX Jun 2013 #10

+1, done-- right out of the gate. Marr Jun 2013 #18

You mean the job is to whitewash... Matariki Jun 2013 #27

LOL, that deserves an award for best 1st response! reformist2 Jun 2013 #80

I've come for my reward LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #84

It's being received as "That black man is breaking into my home" EC Jun 2013 #3

right. one couldn't possibly be against the massive expansion of surveillance unless one cali Jun 2013 #5

When did this sudden "massive expansion" happen? JoePhilly Jun 2013 #54

Only counts when it's Bush. allin99 Jun 2013 #78

WTF L0oniX Jun 2013 #11

We know...any criticism of the actions of the Administration is racist LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #19

Oh, GROTESQUE. sibelian Jun 2013 #48

the fig leaf of legality. Again. cali Jun 2013 #4

May I ProSense Jun 2013 #7

Always moving the bar Matariki Jun 2013 #28

Maybe not criminal, in the legal sense, but certainly unjustifiable, in the moral sense. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #6

once again the "it's legal" excuse is raised - following orders is no excuse nt msongs Jun 2013 #9

Following laws is what makes it legal. There isn't another definition. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #12

The Nuremberg Laws were legal. Supporting them was immoral and heinous. cali Jun 2013 #13

Are you trying to talk sense? L0oniX Jun 2013 #15

Jim Crow Was Legal, Dred Scott Was A Legal Ruling, Slavery Was Legal... WillyT Jun 2013 #17

Please ProSense Jun 2013 #20

We don't think our rights are fodder for you or the President's debate TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #39

"We can have an informed debate about the wisdom of this law only if we know what our courts..." ProSense Jun 2013 #55

It makes it legal Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #34

Total BS, simple Authoritarian argument. "It's the Law, so it must be ok...!" Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #85

The usual authoritarian response "it's legal" ...should have sleeping pills dispensed with it. L0oniX Jun 2013 #14

The usual obfuscation about the legality of the program is a straw man. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #22

It's odd. Fox 'news' calls Snowden a hero; Boehner says he is a traitor. McConnell says he should be AlinPA Jun 2013 #16

This anxiety over protecting the President's image is tiresome. mick063 Jun 2013 #21

Are you saying ProSense Jun 2013 #23

"Maybe it's just that I think it's wrong and smacks of an agenda. " LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #25

That's your problem. You accuse people of motives they don't necessarily have. Demit Jun 2013 #32

You know what, ProSense Jun 2013 #36

Juvenile way to respond. Demit Jun 2013 #37

You're ProSense Jun 2013 #41

What a bizarre accusation. I didn't even post in the thread you link to. Demit Jun 2013 #42

lol - no she's just doing her job TBF Jun 2013 #43

What are you doing? ProSense Jun 2013 #47

I wasn't the one who called you "nuts" - TBF Jun 2013 #50

It appears ProSense Jun 2013 #58

I think it might be an autobot that needs rebooting. Demit Jun 2013 #52

Did you say something about being "juvenile"? n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #60

There was never any logic there to begin with - TBF Jun 2013 #69

"You're nuts." ProSense Jun 2013 #46

I will defend him when people lie and say that he killed social security with "chained CPI" tridim Jun 2013 #29

Yup, cause they want to, cause they can get away with, cause it brings power, cause it is profitable TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #38

+1 Well stated. SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #63

So you think the president is a failure? Andy823 Jun 2013 #40

lol - sure every damned progressive on this board lost their mind and voted for Romney. TBF Jun 2013 #45

Not sure why you are replying Andy823 Jun 2013 #61

True Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #24

Yes, Snowden used the term criminal, what an incredible flamingdem Jun 2013 #26

havent seen that. whether or not it's legal is irrelevent. bowens43 Jun 2013 #30

Should we be arguing legality? Or should we be arguing WHY and HOW we annabanana Jun 2013 #33

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a duck" avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #35

Ah, the *appearances* of things, again, Prosense. sibelian Jun 2013 #49

The shift to the term SPYING is an attempt to avoid discussing details. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #53

nice try, squealer nt markiv Jun 2013 #56

The goal should be to stop any ongoing unconstitutional practices. Period. KurtNYC Jun 2013 #57

No, the sadder thing is if all this IS legal. dkf Jun 2013 #59

Kick nt Not water May 2015 #86

It is up to us to put pressure on them to recall the law that makes it legal. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #62

Yep. We can hate it as much as we want but it's not illegal Number23 Jun 2013 #70

Yup, and here's the thing ProSense Jun 2013 #71

People on this web site call it illegal even when told POINT BLANK that it's not Number23 Jun 2013 #73

It is a crime against the Constitution. 99Forever Jun 2013 #72

Can you ProSense Jun 2013 #75

Read it. 99Forever Jun 2013 #77

We don't have to wait for some court to tell us this is unconstitutional! reformist2 Jun 2013 #81

No, ProSense Jun 2013 #83

Good post. Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #82

"Some" includes a FISA court who looked at the practices KurtNYC Jun 2013 #79