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timdog44

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55. I responded

Sun Jun 9, 2013, 08:46 PM

Jun 2013

to someone else before I did to you and I apologize. I think you are right in what you say. What Snowden did was decide to be judge, jury and exposer. He may very well have undermined some of our security secrets, and I think there were better ways for him to do this than let the Washington Post, of all rags, be his ally.

I see what Pres Obama doing is what Bush did not do in protecting Valerie Plame. A total outrage and treasonous crime.

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PRISM was an effective program and a good balance with civil liberties. Snowden should go to jail. [View all] BrentWil Jun 2013 OP

+1, Not only that works for the Carlyle Group, screw that...ALL these "scandals" now look like FUDr uponit7771 Jun 2013 #1

... and DU swallowed the hook. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #16

Bullshit, this is a democracy and we have a god damn RIGHT to decide whether we wanted this. Kurska Jun 2013 #2

And if cost of complete transparency are terrorist attacks? BrentWil Jun 2013 #14

I remember Bush administration officials saying the same thing Downtown Hound Jun 2013 #19

Simply because Bush makes an argument using logic in one case... BrentWil Jun 2013 #56

There is no merit here, and there never was Downtown Hound Jun 2013 #85

Didn't Obama do what most were demanding.. BrentWil Jun 2013 #93

I really don't know who "most" is Downtown Hound Jun 2013 #105

"I remeber Bush administration officials saying the same thing" cheapdate Jun 2013 #61

Amazes me... humbled_opinion Jun 2013 #79

Maybe you meant your reply to someone else. cheapdate Jun 2013 #87

Well, it's a serious argument to me Downtown Hound Jun 2013 #83

That's better. cheapdate Jun 2013 #88

+1 BrentWil Jun 2013 #95

You just gave a +1 to a post that said: Downtown Hound Jun 2013 #108

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #109

Nobody ever promised that the cost of living in a free society wouldn't at times be very high markpkessinger Jun 2013 #23

There were definitely mortal hazards in 1787. cheapdate Jun 2013 #65

Bombs were not unknown, nor was religiously motivated violence . . . markpkessinger Jun 2013 #73

True, bombs were not unknown nor was religiously motivated violence, cheapdate Jun 2013 #81

Balance? Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #35

Name the last one. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #38

very Bushian thinking burnodo Jun 2013 #44

If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. morningfog Jun 2013 #53

The government will never be able to guarantee your safety... davidn3600 Jun 2013 #67

THANK YOU! markpkessinger Jun 2013 #72

I dispute the idea of "balance" Abq_Sarah Jun 2013 #96

we're apparently willing to accept thousands of deaths annually... mike_c Jun 2013 #107

You mean the people we elected? randome Jun 2013 #20

There are several reportings of this. A large one in the New York Times in Aug of 2012. The problem okaawhatever Jun 2013 #47

And we should let an asshat like timdog44 Jun 2013 #49

+100 cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #66

We damn sure weren't okay with this during the bush administration. So why, all of a sudden, SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #69

Go back to your Civics lessons. This is a Democratic Republic. We ELECT PEOPLE to decide. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #91

"I am for more transparency in government." Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #3

Actually, I'm amazed that so many are reading what is clearly contradictory information back & forth hlthe2b Jun 2013 #4

+1000 OKNancy Jun 2013 #30

You're no fun toddaa Jun 2013 #58

Ever hear of civil disobedience??? This is it, the real thing. reformist2 Jun 2013 #5

Meh. "Better than it was in 2004" is not "awesome". Recursion Jun 2013 #6

Like "awesome" is an option. jazzimov Jun 2013 #32

Or worse than jail. A case could be made for treason. RB TexLa Jun 2013 #7

Snowden knows more about the actual data and processes and he sees things that are unconstitutional. dkf Jun 2013 #8

Brillient jehop61 Jun 2013 #15

In his opinion... BrentWil Jun 2013 #17

No. There are two cases in which they are using Privilege dkf Jun 2013 #46

Do you believe his claim that any agent has "the authorities" to wiretap anyone -- pnwmom Jun 2013 #34

How does he know what is constitutional or not? treestar Jun 2013 #40

"Snowden knows more about the actual data..." jazzimov Jun 2013 #41

I meant the process of data collection. dkf Jun 2013 #50

He has worked there for three months and is more of a computer "repair" or "networking" person than okaawhatever Jun 2013 #48

I hope you're making a good salary. Marr Jun 2013 #9

Always Amazing To Me That The Privileged Can Be So Judgmental - Arrogance Must Truly Be Blissful cantbeserious Jun 2013 #11

Not Everyone Agrees With The Surveillance State - However Your Opinion Has Been Noted cantbeserious Jun 2013 #10

What is your definition of "The Surveillance State"? jazzimov Jun 2013 #43

So you just trust the so called "warrant" process? Downtown Hound Jun 2013 #12

So you trust noone and nothing jazzimov Jun 2013 #45

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; ... cantbeserious Jun 2013 #62

Diane Feinstein, thw woman whom the OP named as somebody we should trust blindly Downtown Hound Jun 2013 #82

R#4 & K for: Nailed. n/t UTUSN Jun 2013 #13

If two warmongering senators approve bobduca Jun 2013 #18

"elected representatives" are not representing me. L0oniX Jun 2013 #21

How the hell do YOU know? MNBrewer Jun 2013 #22

From what I gather, Snowden is far better informed on PRISM ... GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #24

Thanks BrentWil.. well, he did mention he didn't expect to see home Cha Jun 2013 #25

Interesting that you think Snowden should go to jail. Who are you working for? sgtbenobo Jun 2013 #26

“Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #27

Both of my Senators say Congressional oversight is extremely limited and they are my democratically Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #28

+1 Hissyspit Jun 2013 #84

+2 Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #101

Listen, and listen carefully. nebenaube Jun 2013 #29

When the parameters of war changes shawn703 Jun 2013 #31

Oh please..... sgtbenobo Jun 2013 #39

Then we agree. N/T shawn703 Jun 2013 #60

The first line might be worded a but too strongly. The rest.......... wandy Jun 2013 #33

The Government LOVES you! "Keeping them scared" worked on you! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #36

Yep, same usual Bradley/Julian BS treestar Jun 2013 #37

Whew! Brentwil isn't concerned and we must have faith in those that protect us from whatever it is TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #42

LOL La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #51

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA boilerbabe Jun 2013 #52

*PLONK* backscatter712 Jun 2013 #54

I responded timdog44 Jun 2013 #55

Checks and Balances 90-percent Jun 2013 #57

The real danger of handing our rights over to an anonymous Government randr Jun 2013 #59

Stop conflating separate programs. jeff47 Jun 2013 #63

Wrong! LittleBlue Jun 2013 #64

The Boston bombings would seem to contradict that sentiment usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #68

There it is. Wonder what bombing victims and their families think about this? appacom Jun 2013 #78

Snowden is a hero and you sir or madam, do not deserve the Constitution under which you live. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #70

I swear I wonder if some of these people aren't paid. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #86

if rmoney Niceguy1 Jun 2013 #71

With good reason creeksneakers2 Jun 2013 #90

if you can't Niceguy1 Jun 2013 #92

.. Liberal_in_LA Jun 2013 #74

"to those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #75

The guy might be mentally ill and medically non-compliant. It's just too soon to tell, really. MADem Jun 2013 #76

Very well said. TONS of misunderstanding about this. NO ONE is listening in on calls. RBInMaine Jun 2013 #77

Might One Be A Bit Gullible? - Just Because The Government Makes A Claim Does Not Make It So cantbeserious Jun 2013 #97

Chamblis and Feinstein agreeing isnt really a great sign. quakerboy Jun 2013 #80

Like the way the PATRIOT Act's "special terrorism powers" are used against "terrorism"? Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #89

The Cigarrette Smoking Man was a good guy Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #94

RIP 4th Amendment. Long live the news Stasi State and its swarm of supporters. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #98

There was no warrant for this? NT BrentWil Jun 2013 #99

Everything the Stasi State does is legal. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #106

Actually, PRISM was an illegal program. DirkGently Jun 2013 #100

Saxby and DiFi? Daniel537 Jun 2013 #102

Unrec n/t Flying Squirrel Jun 2013 #103

Yes. LWolf Jun 2013 #104