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marions ghost

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26. What is ethical and just in this--not only legal?
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 08:43 AM
Jun 2013

We do not have enough legal protections for this kind of surveillance currently. The technology has outstripped our system of laws, and checks & balances. We need new legal protections. Urgently.

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Here is a good essay from the Washington University School of Law in 2012. This one talks about the "chill" on discussion of political and social issues--ie. the way that societies censor themselves when there is too much surveillance.

I read this whole essay in a short time--it is so well written and clear. I urge everyone to click on the link to the PDF and read this now, and send it to others. It will give you an overview of the issues in a very readable format:

http://www.harvardlawreview.org/symposium/papers2012/richards.pdf

"The Dangers of Surveillance" by Neil Richards

Excerpt:

"Existing attempts to define the dangers of surveillance are often unconvincing, and they have generally failed to speak in terms that are likely to influence the law. In this essay, I try to explain the harms of government surveillance. Drawing on law, history, literature, and the work of scholars in the emerging interdisciplinary field of “surveillance studies,” I offer an account of what those harms are and why they matter. I will move beyond the vagueness of current theories of surveillance to articulate a more coherent understanding and a more workable approach.

At the level of theory, I will explain when surveillance is particularly dangerous, and when it is not. Surveillance is harmful because it can chill the exercise of our civil liberties, and because it gives the watcher power over the watched. In terms of civil liberties, consider surveillance of people when they are thinking, reading, and communicating with others in order to make up their minds about their political and social beliefs. Such intellectual surveillance is particularly dangerous because it can cause people not to experiment with new, controversial, or deviant ideas. To protect our intellectual freedom to think without state oversight or interference, we need what I have elsewhere called “intellectual privacy.”

Here's a slide from the PowerPoint that seems central to this story. NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #1
Is it just me or does that black text NOT look like PowerPoint font? ucrdem Jun 2013 #22
All the slides look like some 1997 Freeper attempt at graphic design. NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #24
You got a point there. ucrdem Jun 2013 #25
The companies are denying this ProSense Jun 2013 #2
The irony of this post tickles me pink... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #5
Ah, the ProSense Jun 2013 #7
So there was no real point to your post then, other than obfuscation? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #8
Are you denying that the companies are denying it? ProSense Jun 2013 #10
You knew cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #14
Yeah, ProSense Jun 2013 #15
LOL. Okay. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #16
The reply above yours reminds me... Did you get Friday's talking points yet? NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #17
I just saw on CNN lordsummerisle Jun 2013 #3
More confirmation that Apple's best! They joined last! Buy Apple! n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #4
So will Obama arrest the person who leaked this to the press and charge them with espionage? limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #6
You know it's coming. It would be funny if not so serious. morningfog Jun 2013 #12
Party of the program is called "BLARNEY"? sweetloukillbot Jun 2013 #9
That would be something, wouldn't it. Robb Jun 2013 #11
I find myself wondering... marions ghost Jun 2013 #13
Apparently the Guardian's "top-secret document" is a 41-slide PowerPoint ucrdem Jun 2013 #18
Let's see it marions ghost Jun 2013 #19
Here's one slide, more at the link: ucrdem Jun 2013 #20
It's enough marions ghost Jun 2013 #21
It looks like a proposal, and it's definitely not a subpoena. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #23
What is ethical and just in this--not only legal? marions ghost Jun 2013 #26
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