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Poll_Blind

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42. The problem with the President's hollow rhetoric is each time he backtracks, he...
Mon May 27, 2013, 04:38 PM
May 2013

...puzzles many, irritates some, and entirely alienates a few of his base.

Not an atypical political maneuver. This is politics. You play that card when you have to because it's most definitely not a "Get Out of Jail FREE" card. It has consequences on the base although, from my example, it usually isn't the end of the world. However, the frequency with which the President plays this card lessens his credibility and the credibility of the Democratic party, overall.

With 2014 coming up I have yet to see a Democratic politician who is still openly embracing the actual policies of the President and some commentary that Democratic House members are going to have to distance themselves from the President's policies in order to get the best turnout.

So I just think, not only is the President not frequently moving a left-wing agenda forward, he's not helping get those votes out for (especially) Democratic House reps, where we need that control the most.

His "Give the cold shoulder to Democrats while courting Republicans in hopes of winning them over" maneuver has failed, failed, failed. The man is locked in an untenable position, trying the same losing ideas over and over and fucking over again. The Barack Obama of 2008 before the election had vision. And during the campaign in 2012, for instance, on Afghanistan, the President has a similar "resurgance" of vision.

He led himself into lame-duck-hood since about 2010 and somehow just decided that he was going to keep doing the same things which weren't working and expecting a different result. His most ardent supporters are frequently reduced to simply trying to pass off the office of the President as being essentially helpless, a daisy head of good intentions blown to the wind. Which, I suppose, would have been convincing had America not suffered through the effective (for the Republicans) Bush years and how high that effectiveness was, even with Democrats controlling both the House and the Senate.

Again, the need to downplay the importance of the Presidency is the single biggest indicator that the President, although genuinely beset by an awful legislative impedance by Republicans (and even sometimes Democrats), has also failed on a deeper level.

PB

Please put a Glenn Greenwald warning in your post. Scurrilous May 2013 #1
Why? n/t whatchamacallit May 2013 #2
Because he has an agenda, and has no problem adopting Rove style smears emulatorloo May 2013 #11
Well then we should require every author's name in the titles whatchamacallit May 2013 #16
Good idea. emulatorloo May 2013 #20
Your knee must really hurt. woo me with science May 2013 #3
you're projecting again emulatorloo May 2013 #10
Because of hypocritcal shite like this?.. Cha May 2013 #46
K&R woo me with science May 2013 #4
Very Rovian and not true. Those on the left and the right* didn't hear what they wanted to hear. CJCRANE May 2013 #5
"Obama's speeches have very little to do with Obama's actions"?? bhikkhu May 2013 #6
Oh, that's funny. woo me with science May 2013 #14
a more comprehensive list emulatorloo May 2013 #23
An overwhelming, overarching corporate agenda. woo me with science May 2013 #25
I thought it was a Massive Kenyan Socialist Nazi Communist Agenda emulatorloo May 2013 #28
Or this. Where did he run on all this? woo me with science May 2013 #29
I figured I would get examples bhikkhu May 2013 #24
That's funny. woo me with science May 2013 #26
When I think of speeches, I think more of the Cairo speech bhikkhu May 2013 #31
I strongly disagree, and reality backs me up. woo me with science May 2013 #32
And I strongly disagree bhikkhu May 2013 #35
It most certainly has NOT worked. woo me with science May 2013 #36
Then you haver this: bhikkhu May 2013 #39
And we are *still* below where we started, and the wealth gap continues to *increase,* not decrease. woo me with science May 2013 #40
Thank you. RC May 2013 #43
Corporate tentacles run deep, woo me with science May 2013 #47
K&R A long time ago I believed in Obama's speeches. No more. The only ones he forestpath May 2013 #7
"where he scolds the people who voted for him." Examples? emulatorloo May 2013 #13
Understand it for what it *is,* not what you want it to be. OnyxCollie May 2013 #8
Excellent. woo me with science May 2013 #52
I like what I see in the Obama presidency and would vote for him over someone parroting Greenwald... Pragdem May 2013 #9
Does this mean next time Obama and I are competing for the presidency whatchamacallit May 2013 #12
If a candidate almost identical to Obama were to run against someone almost identical to Greenwald.. Pragdem May 2013 #18
+1 Jamaal510 May 2013 #33
UN Lawyer Leading Drone Inquiry Calls Obama Speech 'Significant' and 'Historic' ProSense May 2013 #15
Oh wow! whatchamacallit May 2013 #17
. ProSense May 2013 #19
An Internet blogger/columnist has more credibility than a human rights lawyer for the UN. Pragdem May 2013 #21
Only to the very loud handful emulatorloo May 2013 #22
Eh... whatchamacallit May 2013 #27
UN lawyer does not need to generate fake controversy to generate Web Hits emulatorloo May 2013 #48
E - V - E - R - Y - O - N - E sees what they want to see. Some of us are just more honest about patrice May 2013 #30
Yes, to a certain extent we are all blinkered by our prejudices. CJCRANE May 2013 #34
only one example FirstLight May 2013 #37
+10 RC May 2013 #44
As a CYA speech it wasn't bad. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #38
Greenwald. LOL...nt SidDithers May 2013 #41
The problem with the President's hollow rhetoric is each time he backtracks, he... Poll_Blind May 2013 #42
Great post. woo me with science May 2013 #45
Can't believe I made it through this entire thread and no mention of HISTORIC OBSTRUCTION. JaneyVee May 2013 #49
clue: whenever greenwald uses language like "beyond dispute" he's talking geek tragedy May 2013 #50
Can always count on the Prez. for a great speech. limpyhobbler May 2013 #51
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