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151. Well, IF is a short word with a lot of portent, and IF I wanted to engage in fruitless

Fri May 3, 2013, 12:33 AM

May 2013

straw - manning (starting with making me "superior&quot I'd do it in more agreeable company, frankly.

You "if'd" your way through that rant, so I'm going to leave you to think what you want. You have a strong need to fight with someone--that's pretty obvious (since you have replied to me elsewhere just now, I'm guessing you wanna fight with me) and I just don't find your "if's" and shitflinging at Hillary Clinton interesting -- or compelling-- at all.

Since you said this to me--your opinion means as much to me as the opinion of any internet stranger--I am at a total loss as to why you would want to continue to engage me in conversation. You plainly have no regard for my opinions, so why do you even bother writing these diatribes? You've just given me the equivalent of a hearty FUCK YOU if I've ever heard one!

I prefer to go where I am celebrated, not where I'm crapped on. So have a nice night.

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We can do better than Hillary Clinton. [View all] Music Man May 2013 OP

She was my pick in 2008, not so sure now. SlimJimmy May 2013 #1

Out of 8 candiates in 2008. Fuddnik May 2013 #64

So both Dodd and Clinton are both ranked #8? neffernin May 2013 #77

Reading comprehension? Fuddnik May 2013 #177

How did you meet Sen. dodd? alp227 May 2013 #147

This was in late 2007, before the first primaries or caucuses. Fuddnik May 2013 #179

I don't think Joe Biden drinks. It's infuriating too because the wingnuts are always making fun of Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #229

You're right -- Joe doesn't drink. Never has. gateley May 2013 #248

He doesn't touch the stuff. They're using ethnic stereotyping on him. It's terribly classless. nt MADem May 2013 #272

Out with the old and in with the new. And I'm not talking about age. randome May 2013 #2

especially DLC/Third Wayers nt antigop May 2013 #99

Hopefully, someone in their 40's who is comfortable with technology SoCalDem May 2013 #120

You must be very young to state this. Beacool May 2013 #122

I am 64 SoCalDem May 2013 #173

Kudos to you! randome May 2013 #187

ditto 90-percent May 2013 #202

So then vote for a LAN guy. Beacool May 2013 #205

I'm not sure you can fully understand the people you are governing... randome May 2013 #206

I'm not sure about that. Beacool May 2013 #210

Well I'm sixty-three and I grew up with modern technology, where were you? xtraxritical May 2013 #207

There's "modern technology", and then there's modern technology SoCalDem May 2013 #215

I'm pretty sure your President is proficient with current technology and he gets all xtraxritical May 2013 #340

I'd rather have someone who knows 20th Century US History and "grew up" in a pre-Reagan America, whathehell May 2013 #214

Very good point! Because too many have white-washed Reagan's reign of corporate terror BlueCaliDem May 2013 #227

Exactly Whathehell liberalmike27 May 2013 #234

Thank you. As a boomer who grew up in the 50's,60's, this country is almost foreign to me whathehell May 2013 #246

I'm the same age and feel the same way, spare me from conservatives, they're so austere. xtraxritical May 2013 #338

Absolutely....Had anyone told us, back in our twenties, that this is the America we'd be living in whathehell May 2013 #342

Just because YOU don't understand technology doesn't mean the rest of us 55+ don't Matariki May 2013 #277

Hey Bea! Well, my 65 year old Mom still won't text me.... Jennicut May 2013 #243

Jerry brown is older DonCoquixote May 2013 #166

What a bunch of ageist crap your post is. Matariki May 2013 #276

If we can field "old-style" FDR candidates, then we can Progress. dotymed May 2013 #183

Don't quit mid-tide! randome May 2013 #193

What do you mean by "field"? whathehell May 2013 #223

She's a 3rd Way triangulating warhawk. No thanks. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #3

Yep...you got that right!! Me too....no thanks. haikugal May 2013 #27

And those are some of her better qualities. Ikonoklast May 2013 #34

Yes she is. 99Forever May 2013 #50

Ever. DJ13 May 2013 #55

Likewise. Fuddnik May 2013 #65

Welcome, President Cruz! psiman May 2013 #116

You're welcome to be unprincipled... 99Forever May 2013 #135

letting any GOP person into the whitehouse DonCoquixote May 2013 #167

Nope. 99Forever May 2013 #181

Bingo! Fuddnik May 2013 #196

Yeah, because it's all about YOU, isn't it? BlueCaliDem May 2013 #228

Obama is not inspiring me to want a compromiser or a DLC Democrat next time. JDPriestly May 2013 #160

Because you think (wrongly) Hillary is too compromised...you'll help get a Rethug elected? Auntie Bush May 2013 #319

What difference is there between a DLC Dem and a Republican? JDPriestly May 2013 #330

That's ridiculous! You need to do some homework and study up. Auntie Bush May 2013 #339

Blaming the Bush years on Nader is asinine and childish. Not a good start rhett o rick May 2013 #190

No, it's the painful truth. Just look at the posts on this thread alone BlueCaliDem May 2013 #232

I damn well remember the past. rawtribe May 2013 #255

"Same shit that I've seen in 2000, and it needs to be nipped in the bud." rhett o rick May 2013 #268

+1. Blaming 2000 on Nader is as effective and logical as the Republicans' belief that they lose winter is coming May 2013 #304

Yep. Same shit that I've seen in 2000, and it's alive and well here. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #306

Here's the deal. You choose a candidate that disparages progressives, then you are on your own. rhett o rick May 2013 #322

Here's the deal. Don't take yourself so seriously. It's childish and self-defeating. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #337

I have never, ever sat home. I in my experience it's the liberals/progressives that go door to door, rhett o rick May 2013 #343

I'm seeing people who don't want another centrist. That's not the same as anti-Democrat. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #305

Read their posts. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #307

They don't want another centrist, period. winter is coming May 2013 #309

It's not what they want. It's what can WIN for the general good. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #310

Oh, goody, another lecture about the perfect being the enemy of the good. winter is coming May 2013 #315

It's not a lecture. It's reality. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #341

That's not even close to reality. winter is coming May 2013 #353

That's a fucking tired argument. Fantastic Anarchist May 2013 #219

You mean the Bush/USSC criminal treasonous 'decision' that stole an election and gave it sabrina 1 May 2013 #261

The first Canadian born President since Chester Arthur Capt. Obvious May 2013 #290

Same here. Things are changing, the old ways are dying and people are far more informed now sabrina 1 May 2013 #132

yes...that's where I'm focusing, also. KoKo May 2013 #217

Me as well. nt Demo_Chris May 2013 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl May 2013 #54

Touche! Carolina May 2013 #111

Hear olivelove May 2013 #186

I have a repub friend who thinks Ron Paul is the bees knees & she told me CrispyQ May 2013 #222

Same here. Summer pf 2010, she was absolutely truedelphi May 2013 #301

At the moment, I'm interested in O'Malley deutsey May 2013 #4

Since you and somebody else mentioned him, I looked him up. gateley May 2013 #249

The jury is still out for me in some ways. deutsey May 2013 #275

Thanks for the input. gateley May 2013 #283

And I'm so eager to go through another campaign with Terry McAuliffe and Mark Penn on my TV screen. Music Man May 2013 #5

Or Axelrod and Rahm .... sabrina 1 May 2013 #262

Primary get the red out May 2013 #6

You're right, HILLARY\WARREN 2016 > Hillary :-)...I'm for Hillary, I believe she's changed enough... uponit7771 May 2013 #7

Senators like Jeff Merkley or Elizabeth Warren... cascadiance May 2013 #8

I love Merkley, but I doubt he'd do it davidpdx May 2013 #142

he's my senator, too hopemountain May 2013 #331

I love the idea of Feingold -- don't know that much about Merkley. gateley May 2013 #247

Bernie would be ideal too. But it would be difficult as a third party candidate at this point... cascadiance May 2013 #257

I think the country is so fed up, it will respond to someone who seems "strong". gateley May 2013 #269

Merkley was the senator who lead the effort to try and get a talking filibuster earlier... cascadiance May 2013 #278

My sense is that Hillary and Warren may have ideological differences, so don't see gateley May 2013 #284

The more people push Hillary, the less acceptable I find her or any other centrist. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #9

That makes you somewhat ... malleable .. does it not? 11 Bravo May 2013 #13

Martin O'Malleable? Music Man May 2013 #14

Post removed Post removed May 2013 #58

If you voted for Bobby Haircut and didn't feel slimy, you may be in the wrong place. 11 Bravo May 2013 #67

Plus the Rain Tax is a RW talking point here in Md. hootinholler May 2013 #71

Is he? I'm just learning about him. Why do you say that? gateley May 2013 #250

In the sense, that I'm making the transition from "would reluctantly vote for but winter is coming May 2013 #16

We may not like it, but you better learn to love it AngryAmish May 2013 #10

We are indeed stuck with her customerserviceguy May 2013 #178

I won't claim to be as liberal as some members of this site... Parable Arable May 2013 #11

Silly you. You have to accept the "inevitability" meme. nt antigop May 2013 #12

I like her, but I don't want her to be the nominee; if she wins closeupready May 2013 #15

Agreed. Parable Arable May 2013 #17

+1 Ishoutandscream2 May 2013 #38

Yes, I support Warren too. n/t Cleita May 2013 #76

I will support her if nominated. mysuzuki2 May 2013 #18

Welcome to DU. NCTraveler May 2013 #19

I get that and all but.. bamacrat May 2013 #20

I would prefer Elizabeth Warren, but I think using "warmly embracing Kissinger" as a rationale Warren DeMontague May 2013 #21

Your point is well-taken, Music Man May 2013 #25

Your point is well-taken, too, so I switched it to "a bit" Warren DeMontague May 2013 #35

Yeah, because Obama is such a progressive. Beacool May 2013 #123

There is a big slice of Obama Primary/caucus supporters who are quite willing to get behind Hillary. Pirate Smile May 2013 #152

She won't stop until everyone at DU despises Hillary. I'm a loyal Democrat.... Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #159

Please, selective memory. Beacool May 2013 #200

"It has never been Clinton friendly". Do you think you've contributed to that? Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #235

His wife? Beacool May 2013 #327

"So, you want people to "let go". Easier said than done." Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #373

This could be a very unified party but some of the Clinton folks - like Rendell - have got to stop Pirate Smile May 2013 #203

I wonder if there is a downside to promoting her this early, though. randome May 2013 #204

The media is promoting her this early. Beacool May 2013 #209

Ditto to everything you just said! Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #236

It's not an impulse. Beacool May 2013 #198

Compared to Hillitary, yes he is. Whisp May 2013 #161

Still using RW nicknames for Democrats, I see. Beacool May 2013 #199

I don't think the RW would mind that name so much. Whisp May 2013 #212

stil more progressive DonCoquixote May 2013 #168

She's her own person. Beacool May 2013 #201

I know enough about what she did do DonCoquixote May 2013 #332

See what Pirate Smile said below. I supported Obama (reluctantly) over Hillary in the primaries. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #375

Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy. - Henry Kissinger L0oniX May 2013 #33

I get it. I do. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #36

Never hit a man with glasses. Music Man May 2013 #37

heh heh Warren DeMontague May 2013 #39

"I don't talk to or shake hands with war criminals" ...that would work for me. n/t L0oniX May 2013 #41

Exactly. Talk about palin' around with terrorists. JEB May 2013 #138

We can do better than Hillary, but I'd support her if she ends up the nominee. SunSeeker May 2013 #22

I like Hillary as Sec'y of State. She's formidable. As President ... DirkGently May 2013 #23

Elizabeth has NO foreign policy experience. With all that is going on around the world Auntie Bush May 2013 #45

NO foreign policy experience? "Some say" we've elected presidents with only two years bike man May 2013 #61

Yeah, and he's such a good negotiator. Beacool May 2013 #124

And then we did it the second time. We don't learn our lessons well. nt bike man May 2013 #158

He has no tread marks on his back Whisp May 2013 #376

I like Hillary's F.P. as a diplomat. Not so much as Commander-In-Chief DirkGently May 2013 #82

more offshoring free trade agreements..just like Bill. No thank you. nt antigop May 2013 #91

The problem with our foreign Carolina May 2013 #112

What would we win? Demo_Chris May 2013 #140

I believe the current president had no prior foreign policy experience burnodo May 2013 #308

"the left want Clinton" ...WTF dude don't even try to frame it as a "left" thing. L0oniX May 2013 #24

President Hillary Clinton sounds great to me! hrmjustin May 2013 #26

Hillary45 to continue Barack Obama's agenda forever. Get used to this picture. graham4anything May 2013 #28

That would be cool to have Joe as VP again! Walk away May 2013 #80

I'd like for Bidden to Run for VP again with Hillary for President. Auntie Bush May 2013 #100

Barack's agenda Carolina May 2013 #113

She is no Obama - the Clinton's are not interested in much other than their own selves and Whisp May 2013 #377

No vote is money is taken from Banks/Wall Street highmindedhavi May 2013 #29

Change you can believe in Milliesmom May 2013 #30

I'll come right out and say it--- No Vested Interest May 2013 #31

This is exactly what I am starting to think -- O'Malley/Warren Samantha May 2013 #137

No, telegenic is not the be-all and end-all, but No Vested Interest May 2013 #157

K&R forestpath May 2013 #32

She's too old. She will be 69 by the election. broiles May 2013 #40

she also sold out the American worker -- as did Bill. antigop May 2013 #44

Still waiting for Hillary to tell us what laid off IT workers and engineers are supposed to train fo DJ13 May 2013 #72

I read that the human trafficking business is booming, bigger than it's ever been. eilen May 2013 #79

the DLC agenda! nt antigop May 2013 #86

bush 4 nt msongs May 2013 #42

I agree about other better choices over Hillary... TRoN33 May 2013 #43

The Castro brothers have never won a Statewide race... brooklynite May 2013 #92

A very simple question... brooklynite May 2013 #95

So what if they made money? Beacool May 2013 #125

yeh, and the rest of us lazy poor bums just don't work hard enough. thanks. n/t Whisp May 2013 #162

Yes! I was thinking Andrew Cuomo too! alp227 May 2013 #149

As a New Yorker, I don't want Andrew. Bohunk68 May 2013 #185

65% in new poll prefer her OKNancy May 2013 #46

Hillary would be fine IF......... DFW May 2013 #47

I think we might need some new blood? kentuck May 2013 #48

If I had gone into a coma in 2007 SheilaT May 2013 #49

Obama is charismatic, good-looking, and a good speaker. Other than all that stuff... Eleanors38 May 2013 #98

I agree with you Shelia davidpdx May 2013 #146

Good post -- sage advice. :-) gateley May 2013 #254

Well, if you income puts you in the top 6%, bvar22 May 2013 #51

How much does Warren earn? Beacool May 2013 #126

If she gets the nomination, I'll vote for her. ColesCountyDem May 2013 #52

That's about the only support she'll get from me. hobbit709 May 2013 #56

Um, duh, we can do better than her. Apophis May 2013 #53

We can, but we won't Taverner May 2013 #57

We MUST do better than Hillary Clinton. woo me with science May 2013 #59

Count me out of your "we." I like her. If I want to hear people trashing her, I would turn on MADem May 2013 #60

Fortunately the "we" of DU are a tiny and marginal group OKNancy May 2013 #62

There's a bright spot! Yee haw! nt MADem May 2013 #68

I'm going to be happy to see Hillary win the nomination and the General Election. stevenleser May 2013 #70

Add "1" to the "inevitability" meme counter. nt antigop May 2013 #83

Add 1 to the people I have on ignore. You've earned it. nt stevenleser May 2013 #90

You've earned the "inevitability" meme count. nt antigop May 2013 #94

That was good. Beacool May 2013 #129

Works for me...! nt MADem May 2013 #110

Yes Please amuse bouche May 2013 #252

+100,000,000 Auntie Bush May 2013 #321

Thank you. Beacool May 2013 #128

Some days, I wonder if the TOS and SOPs are just suggestions! MADem May 2013 #242

This site has always been unfriendly to the Clintons. Beacool May 2013 #259

Well, if they're spending all their energy hunched over their keyboards "hating" here, MADem May 2013 #263

Good point, hadn't thought of that. Beacool May 2013 #326

He's up against a pretty boy named Gabriel Gomez, from Los Angeles. MADem May 2013 #335

Rupert Murdoch likes her too. He even threw a party for her. So not to worry, she may sabrina 1 May 2013 #134

What an absurdly petty thing to say, and it shows your lack of understanding of the nuance MADem May 2013 #141

Facts are petty now? YOU mentioned Faux, I presented a fact. And you launched into yet another sabrina 1 May 2013 #143

Yeah, I said I didn't watch it--twice. That didn't stop you, though. MADem May 2013 #148

Well, if you consider yourself to be superior to the rest of us who have very good reasons to sabrina 1 May 2013 #150

Well, IF is a short word with a lot of portent, and IF I wanted to engage in fruitless MADem May 2013 #151

We're on the same page, MADem. I realize that I'm on the opposite side of some of my Obama... Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #237

+1,000 !!!! nt MADem May 2013 #241

Ditto. It doesn't matter ultimately whether or not I like him/her, what matters gateley May 2013 #251

Thank You! Absolutely nothing wrong with principles, but they're useless without the ability to win Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #273

Allen West...now there's a principled nutjob!! MADem May 2013 #359

YES WE CAN! datasuspect May 2013 #63

But the Republicans cannot! Coyotl May 2013 #66

We can azmesa207 May 2013 #69

I think we need some new blood -- even though I'm still HUGELY supportive of Biden. gateley May 2013 #73

Biden in a younger version- No Vested Interest May 2013 #85

You're the second who's mentioned O'Malley. I'll check him out. gateley May 2013 #101

We could have done better than "movement centrist" Obama too Maven May 2013 #74

I agree, but let's not overlook the centrists' backup threat, Andrew Cuomo. Jim Lane May 2013 #75

I'd vote for her if she's nominated. Shrike47 May 2013 #78

Sure we can & who ever they are will easily win too. hahahahahaha Little Star May 2013 #81

Howard Dean and... watoos May 2013 #84

Because Dean did so well last time? brooklynite May 2013 #89

Gah. Dean is to the right of Obama and HRC Recursion May 2013 #114

How he did it? He's a smart man. MADem May 2013 #265

This... Jamaal510 May 2013 #367

Fail. What is your agenda here? nm rhett o rick May 2013 #324

Howard Dean??????? Beacool May 2013 #130

I take it you're new to politics? Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #356

I'm surprised that graham4whatever has not weighed in on his favourite candidate. madinmaryland May 2013 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick May 2013 #325

He has a star--I don't think he's a sock puppet. MADem May 2013 #366

Not sure why it's so bold, it's not illegal to be a sock. rhett o rick May 2013 #368

Well, I thought Skinner said it's not illegal to have a second account if you have a valid reason MADem May 2013 #369

First of all I dont really care. rhett o rick May 2013 #370

Maybe he's just enthusiastic. MADem May 2013 #372

Yes but flamingdem May 2013 #88

*Never* marry or vote for anyone using "he/she might improve" as a reason. winter is coming May 2013 #93

I'm okay with her the way she is flamingdem May 2013 #96

individual mandates aren't a "watered-down" provision. Deep13 May 2013 #97

Too true. n/t Laelth May 2013 #105

Yes, We Can! bigwillq May 2013 #102

None of them are any more left than the other ecstatic May 2013 #103

Um ... I find this OP puzzling. n/t Laelth May 2013 #104

IMHO, the reason people keep picking Clinton by default is because TrollBuster9090 May 2013 #106

We need a fresh face and those aren't it newmember May 2013 #115

No, none of those women are acceptable. Napolitano with her anti-Constitutional sabrina 1 May 2013 #264

Gore2016. AtomicKitten May 2013 #107

She's not my ideal Prophet 451 May 2013 #108

Totally agree Carolina May 2013 #109

The DLC will go the way of the "Bourbon Democrats" of a century ago... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #117

The DLC folded over two years ago....only here, on DU, does there exist people who still think it MADem May 2013 #145

The DLC is a state of mind.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #154

No it isn't. It was a fundraising (emphasized) and policy - postulating outfit. It is no more. MADem May 2013 #155

Pssst.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #163

Pssst..... MADem May 2013 #266

My point is that the mindset of the DLC takes longer to kill off.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #281

Well, "the mindset of the DLC" is not a borg-like entity. MADem May 2013 #282

You know as well as I do about the results of a survey where contituents were more liberal,... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #285

My objections in this thread have to do with false characterizations of politicians for purposes of MADem May 2013 #289

Don't get me wrong,..the Democrats have swung to the left,... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #291

They are people who will do what they need to do to get the best deal they can possibly get. MADem May 2013 #295

We aren't going to adavnce the cause if we keep selling out. Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #298

No one's gonna get elected to do any advancing if they tack too far either way. nt MADem May 2013 #317

Oh, come on. That's DC talk.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #329

It's true. But Republicans don't always embrace Conservatism--not by a long shot. MADem May 2013 #336

The attitude is the voters need to be tricked. Both parties do it.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #346

All politics is local. MADem May 2013 #347

If you want to play the "D" vs "R" game.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #349

California isn't really a "best" example, though.... MADem May 2013 #350

You miss the whole POINT of the "All politics is local" quote... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #351

Well of course that's what Speaker O'Neill meant. And I did not miss the point at all. MADem May 2013 #352

"How the hell do you think Mitt Fuckin' Romney became governor of MA?" Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #355

Because it's NOT HIS STATE and we KNEW IT. He was not born in MA. He did not live in MA. MADem May 2013 #358

Face it. The American People are beginning to reject Conservatives... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #360

That doesn't mean a Nebraska candidate can run with a New York platform. MADem May 2013 #361

Republicans reject the idea that "all politics is local" and they win.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #362

Well, Scott Brown didn't beat Elizabeth Warren... MADem May 2013 #363

That proved MY point. Everyone knew where she stood. Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #364

All politics is local. MADem May 2013 #365

They just re-branded. Fuddnik May 2013 #220

Third Way is NOT the same outfit, and it's not "re-branded." MADem May 2013 #258

you clearly miss the point Carolina May 2013 #175

No--YOU miss the point. If the DLC was still a viable, lobbying, policy making and fund raising MADem May 2013 #270

First, this thread is about Carolina May 2013 #287

That's not true, either. Hillary was not the "original" DLCer. MADem May 2013 #288

More DLC? No thanks. nt hay rick May 2013 #118

I haven't forgiven her yellowwoodII May 2013 #119

Touche! Carolina May 2013 #174

Not to mention the coup in Honduras. Fuddnik May 2013 #221

The left wants Hillary? Beacool May 2013 #121

The "left" IS the base of the party, NOT the DLC/Third Way... cascadiance May 2013 #279

It depends. Whisp May 2013 #354

Wrong. Beacool May 2013 #357

What Democrat that you like has an equal to or better than chance of getting elected in 2016? MrScorpio May 2013 #127

well said NewJeffCT May 2013 #256

It's waaaaaaaaaaaaay too early to tell. jeff47 May 2013 #293

Hillary hasn't changed; Kissininger has reformed Martin Eden May 2013 #131

The Muslims hold grudges and don't forgive for thousands of years TOO! Auntie Bush May 2013 #320

It was a profound lack of judgment on her part Martin Eden May 2013 #344

Ha, ha! We have a new meme about the "inevitability" meme! antigop May 2013 #133

You are the anti-Graham4Anything poster! randome May 2013 #188

I'm the antiGOP, antiDLC, antiThirdway poster. antigop May 2013 #191

Nothing wrong with that! randome May 2013 #192

We better. TheKentuckian May 2013 #136

Of all the superficial, idiotic reasons for rejecting a csndidate... aquart May 2013 #144

Better Than Any Republican But Still.... colsohlibgal May 2013 #153

what bullshit spanone May 2013 #156

For fucks sake, give it a rest. If she wins, we win..... if she loses...we still can win Rowdyboy May 2013 #164

put this in neon DonCoquixote May 2013 #165

We have to get through 2014 first. GOTV and give Obama a Congress that will work with him Hekate May 2013 #169

OK! HILLARY IS 1000X better than ANY Republican. But she is not going to move the country forward Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #170

I Agree. mimi85 May 2013 #171

Easy votes here against HR Clinton. We'll go 3rd Party. blkmusclmachine May 2013 #172

I would love your proof that her plan would have been more compromised than his at the get go dsc May 2013 #176

Third Way/DLC'rs are not Progressives or Liberals harun May 2013 #180

Al Franken was a DLCer. You're saying he isn't a progressive, then? nt MADem May 2013 #260

Only Liberal/Progressive in the Senate is Sanders. Rest are free market Corporate Sellouts. harun May 2013 #299

Ah, the oracle has spoken, then. Everyone, go home, give up... nt MADem May 2013 #316

My dream Pres/Vice Pres ticket? Elizabeth Warren/ Michelle Obama....but Harriety May 2013 #182

We could have done better than Obama, too. LWolf May 2013 #184

Ahh to continue the pretense that we really still have a choice. rhett o rick May 2013 #189

Best part of all of this: ProSense May 2013 #194

!!! AtomicKitten May 2013 #218

Joe Biden haydukelives May 2013 #195

Not really BootinUp May 2013 #197

Hillary will win 2016 jimmyolsenblues May 2013 #208

Bingo Stuckinthebush May 2013 #226

It's great to be looking to the future, but... creativebliss May 2013 #211

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2013 #213

I will not vote for another Clinton. Hubert Flottz May 2013 #216

A link to a DU poll below Tx4obama May 2013 #224

Yes, we can. magical thyme May 2013 #225

Totally Agree liberalmike27 May 2013 #230

This is about who can win, and Hillary can WIN. None of the candidates BlueCaliDem May 2013 #231

It's way, way, way too early to come to that conclusion. jeff47 May 2013 #294

flamebaitery DCBob May 2013 #233

What is her position on the costly trade agreements? grahamhgreen May 2013 #238

It's an excellent question. But don't expect any answers from the DLC/ThirdWayers. nt antigop May 2013 #244

there are also no answers on exactly what terrific things she did as SoS. Whisp May 2013 #267

No DLC Love Here - Hence No Hillary Love Either cantbeserious May 2013 #239

Let's not forget that the Koch brothers funded the Clintons' DLC... cascadiance May 2013 #280

Agreed - Koch Brothers Are An Anathema To Democracy cantbeserious May 2013 #312

"(inevitability) with which most on the left want Clinton to run in 2016" Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #240

+100 nt antigop May 2013 #245

I imagine we'll have primaries to sort it all out... LanternWaste May 2013 #253

That aura of inevitability was her undoing when Skidmore May 2013 #271

Hillary Clinton's health care plan included a public option. BlueCheese May 2013 #274

She has never won a competitive political race even once LittleBlue May 2013 #286

I think it's too early to think of this Yo_Mama May 2013 #292

Thank you! GoCubsGo May 2013 #296

When I do start thinking about this, Yo_Mama May 2013 #300

It was the first thing I considered in 2008. GoCubsGo May 2013 #302

It's cute that you think we have a choice. MrSlayer May 2013 #297

No we can't. LuvLoogie May 2013 #303

Well, it would be hard to find someone worse than Hillary..unless you're fond of the DLC. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #311

Wow. My first thread on this site, Music Man May 2013 #313

I don't get it Daninmo May 2013 #314

Yes We Can! Whisp May 2013 #318

I like Hillary. But, I love Kucinich. flvegan May 2013 #323

Because he shoots himself in the foot DonCoquixote May 2013 #333

We can also do worse. much worse. William769 May 2013 #328

Indeed we can DonCoquixote May 2013 #334

The problem with "centrists" is they are ALWAYS corporatist. Just wishy washy on social issues... cascadiance May 2013 #345

And funding is what puts centrists on the ticket, again and again. winter is coming May 2013 #348

Wow, the RW's are terrified of Hillary. They are already trying to foment dissent against her and Pisces May 2013 #371

"We can do better than Hillary"... Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #374