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jeff47

(26,549 posts)
77. Because Congress passed a law
Wed May 1, 2013, 10:09 PM
May 2013

Last edited Wed May 1, 2013, 10:54 PM - Edit history (1)

Same reason that anything else is illegal. Congress passed a law making it illegal.

And if the CIC tells the general to deal with this matter it is a legal order and he must follow it...

No.

Again, we prosecuted soldiers for torture at Abu Ghraib. They were just following orders, and we imprisoned them.

And by the way, the military has cargo flights all the time...put the prisoner with a guard on one of them and he goes home free

Did you forget the "with a guard" part of your solution?

And you're also running into the other problem, no countries have been willing to take the prisoners. That's why there's so many "cleared" people still at Gitmo - no country will take them.

And believe me, if they wanted to take them to be tortured in another country the congress would not have to approve it and no special appropriations would be needed.

That would be covered under funding already appropriated. The difference is you are proposing using money that was appropriated for something else to do something Congress explicitly forbade money to be spent on.

ETA: You are trying to repeat Iran-Contra.
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Actually, it's you that doesn't. jeff47 May 2013 #71
Now how in the hell is dealing with prisoners an illegal order? zeemike May 2013 #76
Because Congress passed a law jeff47 May 2013 #77
Congress cannot pass a law that the CIC cannot order his generals. zeemike May 2013 #86
You should start paying attention jeff47 May 2013 #144
So I hear you saying that the congress has dictatorial power over the CIC. zeemike May 2013 #145
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #48
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