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BainsBane

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97. Well I know this is radical

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 07:27 PM

Apr 2013

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But you could start with reading what Muslim feminists care about. I cited a series of articles. Somehow, however, I don't think you're going to start caring about what Muslim feminists think when you've never cared what any other feminist thinks.

On the off chance: http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2013/04/29/3747543.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2012/05/15/3503569.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2012/05/10/3500125.htm

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/03/201332715585855781.html
http://www.npr.org/2010/04/27/126309699/islamic-feminists-transforming-middle-east
http://www.wisemuslimwomen.org/activism/

Yeah, I know it really pisses off some that a woman somewhere on the planet isn't wearing a bikini. I understand that is so much more consequential than domestic violence or her right to life. I mean, domestic violence or rape doesn't affect many here. But if women are covered, there aren't any good pics of them to post in the locker room. What could be more egregious than that?

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This Is What Saudi Arabia's First PSA For Violence Against Women Looks Like [View all] The Straight Story Apr 2013 OP

Yeah, but her fucking head still can. Sheesh, what bad taste! kysrsoze Apr 2013 #1

+1 get the red out Apr 2013 #4

yep. I find that ad pretty offensive too. Matariki Apr 2013 #9

i know, the twisted irony here is amazing arely staircase Apr 2013 #13

right, because a veil is so much worse BainsBane Apr 2013 #21

An elegant illustration of a false dichotomy. nt Bonobo Apr 2013 #29

FYI BainsBane Apr 2013 #31

Some people will defend their religion to the end. Bonobo Apr 2013 #32

Yikes BainsBane Apr 2013 #34

I read it. nt Bonobo Apr 2013 #36

You would have left Indian women burning on funeral pyres. Gotcha. nt Bonobo Apr 2013 #37

We've been through this example before BainsBane Apr 2013 #40

It's really hopeless. Bonobo Apr 2013 #42

Actually after countless conversations BainsBane Apr 2013 #44

That sounded like mainsplaining to me. Bonobo Apr 2013 #45

What I told you BainsBane Apr 2013 #123

Where would you want your daughter to grow up, St. Louis or Riyadh? snooper2 Apr 2013 #55

What does that have to do with this discussion in any way? BainsBane Apr 2013 #64

America is not responsible for all the World's ills snooper2 Apr 2013 #66

America is responsible for war in Iraq, Afghanistan, BainsBane Apr 2013 #116

The OP is ultimately about misogyny in Saudi Arabia snooper2 May 2013 #164

right BainsBane May 2013 #168

Excellent post. n/t ronnie624 May 2013 #153

most excellent! snooper2 May 2013 #171

same old shit, I see RainDog Apr 2013 #38

The culturally imperialist attitude toward Islam is influence by neoconcervativsm BainsBane Apr 2013 #39

Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot came to prominence because they were treated as deities. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #43

The cult of personality is not religious BainsBane Apr 2013 #46

actually sabbat hunter Apr 2013 #79

There was no cult of personality around Pol Pot. tralala Apr 2013 #87

When calling us bigots doesn't work, call us chickenhawks. Got it. n/t backscatter712 Apr 2013 #53

I knew about Muslim hatred of women long before the wars get the red out Apr 2013 #62

Muslim hatred of women? BainsBane Apr 2013 #65

The reality of how they are treated isn't a stereotype get the red out Apr 2013 #67

You obviously couldn't be bothered to read the articles, or even their titles BainsBane Apr 2013 #73

Yep, a guy being a sexist ass here = a fucking honor killing get the red out Apr 2013 #76

Just read the articles BainsBane Apr 2013 #93

No BainsBane, HUMAN RIGHTS don't get a 'cultural' pass Matariki Apr 2013 #81

Education is an imperialist plot too, I suppose RainDog Apr 2013 #85

No no, education is a dirty word BainsBane Apr 2013 #96

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Where did I say that? BainsBane Apr 2013 #94

No, you clearly implied that Raindog "doesn't care about murder" unless it is done by a religion. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #109

And that Raindog considers genocide as no problem at all. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #112

By The Way... Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #115

I actually figured it was going to get hid! Amazing. A shout out to DUers! riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #119

She specifically said religion is the source of oppression and misogyny BainsBane Apr 2013 #125

Making a criticism of one thing does not intrinsically imply "not caring" about another. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #127

I don't think people love war BainsBane Apr 2013 #132

Okay, let's go through this slowly. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #152

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...what are you talking about? Warren DeMontague May 2013 #158

It's obviously pointless to try to engage in a serious discussion with you BainsBane May 2013 #160

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Okay, again, point by point. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #175

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Drone strikes BainsBane May 2013 #159

The best post on DU in years, Warren. Well done. opiate69 May 2013 #166

How about them Vikes BainsBane May 2013 #170

Being in the North West, I'm more of a Seahawks guy. opiate69 May 2013 #172

Well...it is a dogs life... opiate69 May 2013 #178

I do love dogs BainsBane May 2013 #180

Your arguments are dishonest RainDog Apr 2013 #83

The extent of that persons integrity deficiency is breathtaking. opiate69 Apr 2013 #84

Yeah. She does the same thing that seabeyond did RainDog Apr 2013 #86

Back on DU2, I used to spend most of my time in thr religion group... opiate69 Apr 2013 #88

And she goes to her protected group RainDog Apr 2013 #89

Yep yep... opiate69 Apr 2013 #92

Here is where you referred to Muslims as superstitious BainsBane Apr 2013 #103

I'm not sure whether to be flattered or creeped out BainsBane Apr 2013 #100

What did you do, make another sock so you could see my posts? opiate69 May 2013 #148

Nope, just cleared out my ignore list. BainsBane May 2013 #149

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Yeah, don't actually read what I say BainsBane Apr 2013 #95

Irony alert! Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #106

I know what people write BainsBane Apr 2013 #99

Are you drunk!? Raindog has been one of the MOST compassionate DU posters riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #101

Then provide evidence BainsBane Apr 2013 #102

How do you know Raindog has "steadfastly refused" to consider what Muslim women write? riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #104

I answered that in another post BainsBane Apr 2013 #108

Now you're just spamming the thread with repeated lies about DUers riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #110

Spaming with voices of Muslim women BainsBane Apr 2013 #113

Another lie. I said you are spamming your LIES, not your links. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #114

see post 67 BainsBane Apr 2013 #118

As a feminist who has no reservations about lecturing others about what they deem as "sexist", pacalo May 2013 #155

Yes, I have acknowledged my failure BainsBane May 2013 #162

I'm sorry that you are not clairvoyant or possess superpower abilities. pacalo May 2013 #163

When a thread is locked BainsBane May 2013 #167

It wasn't locked at the time! pacalo May 2013 #192

it was locked BainsBane May 2013 #193

"How 'bout them Vikes?" pacalo May 2013 #194

How we had refused to considered what Muslim women write BainsBane Apr 2013 #105

So because Raindog didn't agree with you, you decide to make shit up. You did. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #107

Well this is a US discussion board BainsBane Apr 2013 #111

Lol, this is child's play and you aren't worth getting angry over! riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #117

Really? BainsBane Apr 2013 #120

She visited the United Arab Emerates and met women from across the Middle East. LiberalAndProud Apr 2013 #121

Are you referring to the article I cited? BainsBane Apr 2013 #122

I started to read the second article in your list. LiberalAndProud Apr 2013 #128

Your views are understandable BainsBane Apr 2013 #133

Well that is your best post in the whole thread we agree on some things: The Straight Story Apr 2013 #137

I have made that point many times in this thread BainsBane Apr 2013 #138

How do we have any hope of aiding their cause? LiberalAndProud May 2013 #146

Good question BainsBane May 2013 #147

+ 1,000,000. Spot on and stellar, RainDog. Zorra Apr 2013 #141

Oddly enough, these "blankets over the head" and "beekeeper suits" are not prescribed in the Qu'ran. MADem May 2013 #196

they are both part of the same sick dynamic. KittyWampus Apr 2013 #72

Nobody is saying that. jaded_old_cynic May 2013 #195

Oh you are supposed to be "respectful" of the culture and religious beliefs snooper2 Apr 2013 #54

Well I know this is radical BainsBane Apr 2013 #97

Can't wear. Not "isn't". Can't. LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #124

No, I wasn't saying that BainsBane Apr 2013 #126

And again, here you are just making stuff up out of thin air about DU members. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #129

As fascinating as you may find conversations about other members BainsBane Apr 2013 #135

Is that supposed to be ironic? Post-modern? Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #144

And yet you chose to respond to this rather than the response BainsBane Apr 2013 #145

Pickin' the low hanging fruit Warren DeMontague May 2013 #150

Pay attention to, sure. LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #130

I couldn't disagree more BainsBane Apr 2013 #134

I know. Their motives were different than mine. LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #139

Headscarves do not restrict identification BainsBane Apr 2013 #142

That stance assumes that all women in the Muslim world want the same thing. antigone382 Apr 2013 #136

They didn't have to bomb Salt Lake LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #140

Um, I really hate to point this out, but Occulus Apr 2013 #60

Direct and Honest grilled onions Apr 2013 #2

According to some on DU, any comment we make on this is Imperialist and NeoColonialst. stevenleser Apr 2013 #3

I like to refer to those people as "misogynists." Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #5

They would insist that they are the only true feminists here. stevenleser Apr 2013 #7

I suspect so. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #12

Nope, it doesn't, and you are right, that is exactly the point stevenleser Apr 2013 #17

How would you give them this "freedom" and how would you know that you've given it to them? n/t Turborama Apr 2013 #48

How would YOU do it? nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #52

It's YOUR proposal, not mine. n/t Turborama Apr 2013 #57

I'm not proposing anything. Its an example. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #75

Well, technically it's a hypothesis Turborama Apr 2013 #80

It appears to mean BainsBane Apr 2013 #143

I'm not on speaking terms with one of these characters... n/t backscatter712 Apr 2013 #28

I consider myself a feminist get the red out Apr 2013 #68

LOL. Yeah, perfectly fitting description there. kysrsoze Apr 2013 #8

Correct. Years ago here, I recall making a remark closeupready Apr 2013 #10

Yeah, "Cultural Relativism" always seems to apply to woman's rights Matariki Apr 2013 #11

Absolutely get the red out Apr 2013 #69

You "cultural imperialist" you! Believing that western values about equality and women riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #74

Apparently burqas really do keep women safe LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #22

Welcome to the secret meeting of the Legion of Imperial Atheists! backscatter712 Apr 2013 #26

Asia Minor? Turborama Apr 2013 #49

Why is it we call it the "Middle East", when it's actually Southwest Asia? n/t backscatter712 Apr 2013 #51

What is "it"? n/t Turborama Apr 2013 #56

It is a region of land on the southwest of Asia. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #58

Well, I thought when Steven said "Minor Asia" he was trying to describe where Muslims live. Turborama Apr 2013 #59

I think it's a good ad. HappyMe Apr 2013 #6

Actually, yes, they can be covered eissa Apr 2013 #14

I agree Skittles Apr 2013 #27

Message abusers get "beat her body where bruises can't be seen" Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #15

I wonder if it might be a message to the abused, and not the abusers Mister Ed Apr 2013 #18

it is, the campaign is meant to try to get them to report abuse JI7 Apr 2013 #47

The problem in Saudi is that Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #61

But that's their ancient and beautiful culture! backscatter712 Apr 2013 #63

We must say instead get the red out Apr 2013 #70

And of course Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #71

Ugh, EVIL get the red out Apr 2013 #77

That was my thought too Marrah_G Apr 2013 #50

Kick nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #16

Isn't stoning considered physical violence? jazzimov Apr 2013 #19

1. That's a niqab, not a burqa. 2. The hideous IRONY of this ad! Women are FORCED to "cover up" riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #20

THANK YOU get the red out Apr 2013 #78

Exactly. Dominionist Christianity. Wahhabi Islam. SAME VILE SHIT! backscatter712 Apr 2013 #82

Okay, scratch the ad campaign because you don't approve. What's the next step? Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #197

I'll reserve judgement until we see if it has an effect LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #23

So, they are saying beat women where it cannot be seen through the one small slot Jamastiene Apr 2013 #24

Oh shit, the irony! Bonobo Apr 2013 #25

At that point, she'll be made to switch from the niqab to the burqa. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #30

the person who made the ad has criticized the veil as hiding abuse JI7 Apr 2013 #33

Saudi Arabia has a ways to go in this area... davidn3600 Apr 2013 #35

Man...this ad is fucked in so many different ways. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author tralala Apr 2013 #90

Oppression. Rex Apr 2013 #91

Stupid PSA. Apophis Apr 2013 #131

This is for the Saudis -- not for us. Why we're repelled by their treatment of women, gateley May 2013 #151

It is better than not addressing it at all. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #156

If this is for Saudis, why is it in English? Why are we talking about it? tralala May 2013 #165

that's an interesting point BainsBane May 2013 #169

Ya, but there's no denying... Cali_Democrat May 2013 #173

Couldn't agree with you more. I feel suffocated when I think of it. gateley May 2013 #174