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OnyxCollie

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60. Where did I lie?

Fri Apr 26, 2013, 02:52 PM

Apr 2013

I guess I should have said that Obama is your pretend boyfriend.

AT&T Inc: Senate Democrats
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?id=D000000076&party=D&chamber=S&type=P&cycle=2008

Top Democratic recipient in the Senate:
Obama, Barack (D-IL) Senate $270,191

AT&T Inc: House Democrats
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?id=D000000076&party=D&chamber=H&type=P&cycle=2008

Top Democratic recipient in the House:
Emanuel, Rahm (D-IL) House $50,650

Obama's wiretapping flip-flop? Yes
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jul/14/obamas-wiretapping-flip-flop-yes/

In October 2007, Obama spokesman Bill Burton issued this unequivocal statement to the liberal blog TPM Election Central: "To be clear: Barack will support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies."

~snip~

Obama supported an amendment that would have stripped telecom immunity from the measure. But after that amendment failed, Obama declined to filibuster the bill. In fact, he voted for it. It passed the Senate, 69-28, on July 9. The House passed the same bill last month, and Bush said he would sign it soon. (McCain missed the vote because he was campaigning in Ohio, but he has consistently supported the immunity plan.)

In a message to supporters, Obama defended his position, citing a phrase Democrats fought to include that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is the "exclusive" means of wiretapping for intelligence. The bill "is far better than the Protect America Act that I voted against last year... (because it) makes it clear to any president or telecommunications company that no law supersedes the authority of the FISA court."

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What If Bush Had Done Nothing? [View all] ProSense Apr 2013 OP

k&r... spanone Apr 2013 #1

Great piece. K&R Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2013 #2

k and r Berlum Apr 2013 #3

Dubya did not "break the back" of the American dream - that's just hyperbolic nonsense. reformist2 Apr 2013 #4

What I found most interesting about that era, was that there was one Baitball Blogger Apr 2013 #17

I do not agree. The OP is not that far off. Bush/Cheney did much damage brush Apr 2013 #30

I do deny it, fully. What Dubya did was bad, but our national recognition of it has made us stronger reformist2 Apr 2013 #34

Ever heard of the word "delusional"? nt brush Apr 2013 #35

Where is this "wisdom" of which you speak? progressoid Apr 2013 #46

huh?? I understand learning from failure but.. DCBob Apr 2013 #49

I couldn't disagree more. Boomerproud Apr 2013 #87

that sounds like the spin, not the reality usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #102

Except it wouldn't need to be rebuilt if he hadn't fucked it up in the first place. NYC Liberal Apr 2013 #110

it was definitely a few nails in the coffin though NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #31

Nixon started it... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #107

Sure feels that way to me MirrorAshes Apr 2013 #79

he was some kind of tipping point yurbud Apr 2013 #109

Yes what if madokie Apr 2013 #5

In that same vain, Gore would have won the election and bu$h II would never have been President. RC Apr 2013 #6

Gore would have won the election AlbertCat Apr 2013 #26

vein AAO Apr 2013 #88

Hey, I live in a Red State, what can I say? RC Apr 2013 #90

Unlike others on various "worst presidents" list, Bushco rurallib Apr 2013 #7

"actively destroyed government in every aspect"? He didn't even try to cut Social Security. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #96

What if Obama had done something? OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #8

Are you serious? mercymechap Apr 2013 #9

Are you done now? OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #12

Well, I have to agree with you mercymechap Apr 2013 #45

IMO "mercymechap" dotymed Apr 2013 #16

+100 Myrina Apr 2013 #23

exactly-- where was the ATTEMPT? NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #32

He took an oath to defend the US Constitution. He broke it long ago... AAO Apr 2013 #89

Really? With Republicans coming after him even mercymechap Apr 2013 #52

What really would have been the point? jmowreader Apr 2013 #15

it would have helped restore America's credibility! NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #33

The only thing that scares those fuckers is a tax increase jmowreader Apr 2013 #38

yes, agree NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #43

You really think you can scare Republicans? mercymechap Apr 2013 #47

I could not disagree with you more. It would have been a exercise in futility. olegramps Apr 2013 #25

The status quo must be maintained at all costs. OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #27

There is always ProSense Apr 2013 #57

Fuck that stupid bullshit. OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #58

No, fuck the "stupid bullshit" that is that comment. ProSense Apr 2013 #59

Where did I lie? OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #60

I guess ProSense Apr 2013 #62

Can't defend Obama's actions, I see. OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #65

What, ProSense Apr 2013 #67

Why should I? OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #69

That's OK ProSense Apr 2013 #70

You've provided a lot of entertainment in this thread. OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #71

Funny ProSense Apr 2013 #72

You're so cute when you're angry. OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #74

Thanks, ProSense Apr 2013 #75

IMHO sheshe2 Apr 2013 #86

Quit whining and alert it! N-t Logical Apr 2013 #93

I already did! sheshe2 Apr 2013 #94

So the jury voted it was ok I assume? n-t Logical Apr 2013 #95

Three three sheshe2 Apr 2013 #97

Post the results. OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #108

Nobody's "whining".. she's calling out his personal attacks on ProSense. Cha Apr 2013 #100

You've added nothing but bully attacks. Cha Apr 2013 #101

You got nothing DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2013 #84

Yes, ProSense has everything in the OP. The topic of conversation. Cha Apr 2013 #91

And you have what? sheshe2 Apr 2013 #99

Your pretend boyfriend? sheshe2 Apr 2013 #104

Why don't you alert then? OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #105

you lost when you threw sniveling personal attacks at ProSense. Cha Apr 2013 #76

You are correct, but doubt she will listen! n-t Logical Apr 2013 #92

spin control usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #103

If he had done nothing he would have been assassinated BethanyQuartz Apr 2013 #10

If Bush had done nothing, his name would have been President Al Gore. nt madinmaryland Apr 2013 #11

What if Bush had never been elected? JEB Apr 2013 #13

He was imposed not elected Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2013 #83

In the corner: Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2013 #14

K & R Thinkingabout Apr 2013 #18

Word Order matt819 Apr 2013 #19

Good catch. Agreed. nt brush Apr 2013 #36

We would be a lot better off treestar Apr 2013 #20

Great Speculation but... humbled_opinion Apr 2013 #21

Heh heh..."bagheads" ...heh heh! Stardust Apr 2013 #114

What's their response to the latest finding by that wunderkid (Thomas Herndon, I think) who has Stardust Apr 2013 #115

He basically did ... nothing. He took an 8 year vacation while Cheney was president. Myrina Apr 2013 #22

too bad about that bullsh*t line hfojvt Apr 2013 #24

Whatever it takes to get and keep RepubliCONs out of power xtraxritical Apr 2013 #28

I don't want to keep Republicans out of power hfojvt Apr 2013 #39

But wait! mercymechap Apr 2013 #50

but if you don't fight their bad ideas hfojvt Apr 2013 #51

But he has tried to fight mercymechap Apr 2013 #55

Obama NEVER proposed anything more progressive than hfojvt Apr 2013 #56

I don't get your point. NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #29

no, that is exactly wrong hfojvt Apr 2013 #37

well, I guess I suck NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #42

the 73% is from the 99% hfojvt Apr 2013 #48

You know this ProSense Apr 2013 #63

I just love those Republican arguments hfojvt Apr 2013 #68

sorry, I've read your posts a couple times and I still am not sure what your main point is NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #116

it seems to "make sense" to you hfojvt Apr 2013 #117

I understand the problem of inequality and NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #118

yet you seem just as happy hfojvt Apr 2013 #119

how do you know how happy I am about that? NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #120

oh I don't know hfojvt Apr 2013 #121

What if all those trillions of dollars went to education...? whttevrr Apr 2013 #40

Much of it still can, once we take it back from the plutocrats Coyotl Apr 2013 #106

If that were ever to happen... icarusxat Apr 2013 #113

Indeed, America and the world would be a much much better place.. DCBob Apr 2013 #41

Then there was the Orwellian stuff... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #44

The regulation of financial markets was largely destroyed before he even took office. n/t hughee99 Apr 2013 #53

you mean if he hadn't let ***** take the towers down in the first place? librechik Apr 2013 #54

"electing Bush twice"??? grasswire Apr 2013 #61

Iraq might have gone on to become a greater influence in the Middle East. randome Apr 2013 #64

Iran wouldn't be such a pain in the ass now. The Iranians were all tied up dealing with Saddam. calimary Apr 2013 #98

But they never would have made all that money, they made, Cleita Apr 2013 #66

The Most Bogus President Ever colsohlibgal Apr 2013 #73

K&R Electric Monk Apr 2013 #77

K&R! sheshe2 Apr 2013 #78

Those of us who were disgusted with his election victory adieu Apr 2013 #80

Some people would be more vital, and others would be less filthy rich. WinkyDink Apr 2013 #81

What if they didn't steal elections Politicalboi Apr 2013 #82

"We've had enough Bushes" said Barbara Bush. 2 Bushes, 2 wars, imagine what a 3rd would do. mountain grammy Apr 2013 #85

Never forgive. Never forget. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #111

What if the Supreme Court The Wizard Apr 2013 #112