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In reply to the discussion: President Obama has done more to help the poor and middle class than any President since LBJ [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)163. It seems to me
You must be a King Crimson fan (Confusion will be your epitaph).
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However, the ACA also has aspect negative effects on some people (more costly insurance) and many negative system problems such as institutionalizing insurance companies. And as noted by most critics, only assertions that systematic health care costs will increase less if the ACA was passed. Please note that it is a fact that some people will pay more but my use of the word "negative" is a conclusion and opinion. See the difference.
Further, for people in the middle the subsidies for exchange insurance policies cut out at a fairly low income level if you are in a high cost area such as any major city in the US, the mandate may end up a real hardship to middle class individuals forced to buy individual plans through the exchanges and provide both good and bad benefits. The insurance in the exchanges are allowed to have annual limits and can increase premiums. Buying a minimum policy may satisfy the ACA mandate, be the only policy a middle class person can afford and still give him insurance he still can not afford to use because of deductibles and co-pays.
You are welcome to an "opinion" that on the whole the ACA is good. I tend to think of the ACA as painting over rotten timber. I believe that it is an unsustainable and destructive solution. Again these are both "opinions". You are trying to identify your conclusions and judgements as facts.
Last, the best argument I have seen for the ACA is based on some theory that progress in our society is made by increments. The health care systems problems in this country have lasted for years. It may be and is argued that an incremental bill that reforms some aspects of our insurance business is better than nothing. This assumes that if the ACA failed, nothing would ever be done. I tend to believe that the existing systems problems are so obvious, that it would be impossible for nothing to get done since the system's costs were exploding to an unsustainable level. I am not sure of this but not dogmatically so.
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However, the ACA also has aspect negative effects on some people (more costly insurance) and many negative system problems such as institutionalizing insurance companies. And as noted by most critics, only assertions that systematic health care costs will increase less if the ACA was passed. Please note that it is a fact that some people will pay more but my use of the word "negative" is a conclusion and opinion. See the difference.
Further, for people in the middle the subsidies for exchange insurance policies cut out at a fairly low income level if you are in a high cost area such as any major city in the US, the mandate may end up a real hardship to middle class individuals forced to buy individual plans through the exchanges and provide both good and bad benefits. The insurance in the exchanges are allowed to have annual limits and can increase premiums. Buying a minimum policy may satisfy the ACA mandate, be the only policy a middle class person can afford and still give him insurance he still can not afford to use because of deductibles and co-pays.
You are welcome to an "opinion" that on the whole the ACA is good. I tend to think of the ACA as painting over rotten timber. I believe that it is an unsustainable and destructive solution. Again these are both "opinions". You are trying to identify your conclusions and judgements as facts.
Last, the best argument I have seen for the ACA is based on some theory that progress in our society is made by increments. The health care systems problems in this country have lasted for years. It may be and is argued that an incremental bill that reforms some aspects of our insurance business is better than nothing. This assumes that if the ACA failed, nothing would ever be done. I tend to believe that the existing systems problems are so obvious, that it would be impossible for nothing to get done since the system's costs were exploding to an unsustainable level. I am not sure of this but not dogmatically so.
...that you have no idea what the law does and are simply repeating every tired attack from all sides.
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President Obama has done more to help the poor and middle class than any President since LBJ [View all]
ProSense
Apr 2013
OP
For some reason the Rec button isn't working. But K & R. Great data, as always.
freshwest
Apr 2013
#170
But he helped the rich even more - Income gap between rich, middle class, and poor widens
Tierra_y_Libertad
Apr 2013
#9
That was the trajectory of wealth inequality way before Obama ever took his first oath.
phleshdef
Apr 2013
#16
Yup. I often post the body of a piece and then edit the links in immediately afterward
woo me with science
Apr 2013
#133
Well said, Whisp. The fact that we have endured this idiotic panicking bullshit on the same topic
Number23
Apr 2013
#76
And as the president's zombie horde of mindless detractors constantly remind us
Number23
Apr 2013
#119
Could be, but all that water swirling around is the sound of the toilet flushing it all away
Jersey Devil
Apr 2013
#41
LOL, Ok, here comes the PR to try to make the SS complaints go away. Have you made ONE POST....
Logical
Apr 2013
#57
I respond to lots of posts. Don't give yourself so much credit. I am shocked.....
Logical
Apr 2013
#59
Sometimes your posts make no sense. Like this one. But your laughing icon is really clever. n-t
Logical
Apr 2013
#67
Look on the bright side. I am kicking your posts so you don't have to! Win Win for you. n-t
Logical
Apr 2013
#70
Because blind support of all policy is as bad a complaining about everything Obama does. n-t
Logical
Apr 2013
#184
He wants the poor to die slowly (opposite of what Grayson said about R's)
IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ
Apr 2013
#64
My goodness the meme's just keep on coming tonight. The dust hasn't settled on this yet..
kickysnana
Apr 2013
#77
The screamers on DU don't pay attention to facts which don't support their narrow view of
bluestate10
Apr 2013
#78
I don't think so, and I'm probably one of the biggest believers in socialism here.
freshwest
Apr 2013
#174
Again, you don't think the Republicans had nothing to do with the poverty rate, debt, war
DainBramaged
Apr 2013
#99
Bullshit! And I don't need pretty charts and links, just ask the local homeless shelters, foodbanks
Purveyor
Apr 2013
#110
Oh I can't wait for the charts and graphs from Daily Kos to refute your claims, with maybe a NYT
Purveyor
Apr 2013
#126
You once told me that, if Obama tried to cut SS, you'd no longer support him. /nt
Marr
Apr 2013
#168
I've already marched outside with Occupy. We are still correct regarding the banksters behind
Fire Walk With Me
Apr 2013
#205
Perpetuating the Privatization our Healthcare is not helping the Poor or Middleclass
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Apr 2013
#186
No. That's different. This involves millions of INNOCENT people who lost their homes to BANKSTERS.
Octafish
Apr 2013
#211
Cancer clinics are turning away thousands of Medicare patients. Blame the sequester.
Fire Walk With Me
Apr 2013
#208