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Union Scribe

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70. And now let me end this

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 01:05 AM

Apr 2013

First, I was talking about your first graph. Now this one contradicts it? So which is telling the truth? You've posted two graphs that tell opposing stories. And neither one is polling data. I happen to have that data thanks to Ichingcarpenter

In the last two midterms:

From 2006, Votes by Ideology:
Liberals made up 20% of the vote and voted 87% for Democats
Moderates made up for 47% of the vote and voted 60% for Democrats

In 2010:
Liberals again made up 20% of the vote and voted 91% Democratic
Moderates fell to 38% of the vote and only voted 55% for Democrats

http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/polls/#USH00p1
http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/US/H/00/epolls.0.html

Liberal turnout was the same in 2010, and liberals even voted more for Dems that year. It was ideological moderates, the unicorn the DLC is always chasing, that did not show up in 2006 numbers.

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If you're displaying all of this outrage over CCPI to help the President [View all] veganlush Apr 2013 OP

Good to see what the next talking point will be. Rex Apr 2013 #1

oh veganlush Apr 2013 #2

r.i.g.h.t. kickysnana Apr 2013 #30

'talking point' bigtree Apr 2013 #48

ought to be. robinlynne Apr 2013 #128

He didn't even bargain for it. He just gave it up. Faygo Kid Apr 2013 #3

The latest election wasn't a "midterm" and D's showed up. dkf Apr 2013 #4

right. d's did show up bigtree Apr 2013 #49

Ahhhh, a breath of sanity! Thank you! Isoldeblue Apr 2013 #5

It will effect you absolutely. Not only in that your COLAS will be smaller Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #10

My income is NOT that much over the poverty level.... Isoldeblue Apr 2013 #18

Uh, you said 'under 34K' which I thought applied to you because that figure is not Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #88

Straight from SS Isoldeblue Apr 2013 #134

It certainly will affect you! Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #83

That poster is just making stuff up, that 34,000 number is pulled out of the ether Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #89

She's not even close. Here is the actual detail from Whitehouse.gov PA Democrat Apr 2013 #140

You are confusing the income levels at which SS is taxable with PA Democrat Apr 2013 #136

I take exception to your statement that many of US did not vote in 2010. Laurian Apr 2013 #6

Agree. femmocrat Apr 2013 #23

it's one of their talking points Skittles Apr 2013 #46

or, just a misunderstanding of the results bigtree Apr 2013 #51

do you even listen to yourself? Skittles Apr 2013 #52

I'm 52 years old and fully aware bigtree Apr 2013 #80

Wow, a string of insults and personal attacks, that really proves your point Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #91

No let him keep it up. Rex Apr 2013 #94

I'm not going to tolerate people who post to me just to ridicule and bait bigtree Apr 2013 #98

But that is all you have done! Rex Apr 2013 #105

there's some poster using your acct. who started this thread with an attack on the op's credibility bigtree Apr 2013 #110

YAWN. Rex Apr 2013 #113

started with that; makes sense to bring this 'debate' around to the op bigtree Apr 2013 #115

That all you got? Rex Apr 2013 #116

again, I feel fine. Not 'embarrassed' in the least. bigtree Apr 2013 #119

Yeah right, I know by now you are Rex Apr 2013 #120

I usually do regret arguing, but my concern, in those cases is for the recipient bigtree Apr 2013 #124

Yes I know you ran off, no problems Rex Apr 2013 #133

LOL Skittles Apr 2013 #137

Not when they've been corrected so many times. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #73

I agree Skittles Apr 2013 #138

All this projection from you. Rex Apr 2013 #78

reality? bigtree Apr 2013 #82

That is all you got, old-fashion assholery. Rex Apr 2013 #92

funny, I don't feel small bigtree Apr 2013 #102

My, my and just the other day you accused the Left of being emotional Rex Apr 2013 #103

liar. show the post. bigtree Apr 2013 #104

You said the Left is all emotions and now you deny it? Rex Apr 2013 #107

so all you have is your word? pathetic lie. bigtree Apr 2013 #112

You said it since having a temper tantrum Rex Apr 2013 #114

what? bigtree Apr 2013 #117

Yes that is all you have left. Rex Apr 2013 #118

I don't hate you, Rex. That's really impossible. bigtree Apr 2013 #121

Again, delfecting away from the point. Rex Apr 2013 #122

thought you were 'The Left' as you wrote in the post above bigtree Apr 2013 #125

Oh he made a funny! Rex Apr 2013 #132

My god you're rude. Zoeisright Apr 2013 #127

You mean replying back with the exact same thing? Rex Apr 2013 #130

Yeah, the "moderate" mushy middle Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #58

Here, let me fix that for you: sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #7

Carter cut SS and Reagan raised it. Go figure... Isoldeblue Apr 2013 #16

Some real revisionism there. Reagan did NOT increase benefits. What Reagan really did: Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #95

Thanks for the info. PA Democrat Apr 2013 #97

We are about the same age. We remember. We paid those rates. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #101

Why did YOUR State fail to have turn out in 2010? Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #8

"Because many of you didn't vote in the midterms" Union Scribe Apr 2013 #9

That's okay someone accused us of voting for Nader in 2000 Rex Apr 2013 #14

I wouldn't say no proof. One of the 99 Apr 2013 #19

Did you post the wrong poll? PA Democrat Apr 2013 #22

No but... One of the 99 Apr 2013 #24

First, voter attitudes does not equal voter turnout. PA Democrat Apr 2013 #28

Why are you so angry? One of the 99 Apr 2013 #56

It is rather personal when people keep blaming you Union Scribe Apr 2013 #63

I never blamed you One of the 99 Apr 2013 #65

No, but many are Union Scribe Apr 2013 #72

No, you are foisting off figures about voter attitude as being about turnout Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #96

No need for the hostility One of the 99 Apr 2013 #100

You introduced this information as 'facts'. That's hostile. Because it is not about the subject Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #106

I posted what I found in a google search One of the 99 Apr 2013 #139

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #142

No, anger is a waste of energy. PA Democrat Apr 2013 #69

And how does that translate to voting? Union Scribe Apr 2013 #44

So you're saying that people with a low interest One of the 99 Apr 2013 #55

That graph shows liberals more engaged than other Dems. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #62

Go back an look at it again. One of the 99 Apr 2013 #68

And now let me end this Union Scribe Apr 2013 #70

Thank you! PA Democrat Apr 2013 #75

Good points One of the 99 Apr 2013 #79

Because both are mid term elections and not skewed by Presidential years. myrna minx Apr 2013 #86

No one said liberals sat it out . . . brush Mar 2014 #144

End of argument? brush Mar 2014 #143

Woot! You get a star * Zorra Mar 2014 #145

This blizzard of meaningless talking points certainly addressed my concerns! cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #11

Oh Goddess help me, not another one... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #12

+1 n/m Isoldeblue Apr 2013 #15

We should start answering OPs like this with a simple subject line of Jamastiene Apr 2013 #38

it's their way of shifting the blame for losing the House Skittles Apr 2013 #53

How generous of you not to condemn me. PA Democrat Apr 2013 #13

Thank you! markpkessinger Apr 2013 #36

Well said! One of the 99 Apr 2013 #17

Who is claiming that Obama is "gutting" Social Security? PA Democrat Apr 2013 #21

You should read more One of the 99 Apr 2013 #25

I googled it. ZERO results. PA Democrat Apr 2013 #26

Zero results? One of the 99 Apr 2013 #54

The accusation was people on DU. PA Democrat Apr 2013 #66

I never accused anyone on DU. One of the 99 Apr 2013 #67

Are you for real? PA Democrat Apr 2013 #71

You were so busted.... show a little dignity, if you couldn't back up your implication Dragonfli Apr 2013 #74

Just as I thought. CRICKETS. PA Democrat Apr 2013 #29

13 Minutes??? One of the 99 Apr 2013 #57

You clearly have not been reading posts. Or you simply have chosen to attack any viewpoint bluestate10 Apr 2013 #33

That poster claimed people were saying Obama was "gutting Social Security" PA Democrat Apr 2013 #39

That looks like a"gutting" to me. bvar22 Apr 2013 #61

Perhaps, however the President ran that he wouldn't do it in 2012. Also, I have to wonder if it is still_one Apr 2013 #111

Could not disagree more. mick063 Apr 2013 #20

If you're going to have a talking point, can't you make it shorter? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #27

The person is from perhaps another sphere of our universe? KoKo Apr 2013 #31

The complainers don't take responsibility for any mistake they make, how ever large bluestate10 Apr 2013 #32

Pretty outrageous claim to make that anyone complaining about a chained CPI PA Democrat Apr 2013 #42

Yeah, that's a winning strategy -- rely on "Independents." WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #60

"I frankly am tired of dealing with the "principled" set." green for victory Apr 2013 #85

Are you "going Galt" on the "principled" set? The people who are the ones who myrna minx Apr 2013 #90

If you're counting on attracting 'independents' it is a bad choice to bad mouth liberals while Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #99

That's like blaming the general public because your turd candy shop went out of business. Marr Apr 2013 #135

Balderdash, fiddlesticks, and horse hockey. *I* voted in 2010, as did all dedicated Dem partisans. scarletwoman Apr 2013 #34

They cannot admit that their schemes supposedly to attract independents seems to have TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #77

Stock Obama Defense (and unfounded myth) #17: "we lost in 2010 because the left stayed home" markpkessinger Apr 2013 #35

So because we have divided government, Obama must give in to Republicans on C-CPI? neverforget Apr 2013 #37

Wow! How I am glad that I don't feel like you! avaistheone1 Apr 2013 #40

I voted. What's your excuse now? Jamastiene Apr 2013 #41

Bull.Puckey. truebluegreen Apr 2013 #43

Another post blaming us for 2010... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #45

I voted in the mid-term elections in 2010. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #47

My first vote was for, I'm proud to say, Senator Wellstone in 1990. myrna minx Apr 2013 #50

So being outraged about Soc. Sec. being stolen is wrong, OK, thanks, LMFAO! just1voice Apr 2013 #59

bs 840high Apr 2013 #64

"i never just threw all of my faith for the future onto the idea of living solely on SS." who cares? HiPointDem Apr 2013 #76

+1e999 Blecht Apr 2013 #81

who the fuck is "Sista Solgha"? KG Apr 2013 #84

Good grief. 99Forever Apr 2013 #87

Show of hands? kentuck Apr 2013 #93

They won't let go of the lie. They cannot admit their shitty policies don't attract "moderates" and TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #123

How about this, the President comes out and says SS and Medicare WILL NOT be part of the budget still_one Apr 2013 #108

You don't compromise with yourself after Progressive dog Apr 2013 #109

"The CCPI is not the end of the world." ? For some people it might be. limpyhobbler Apr 2013 #126

If you are mad about Obama offering SS cuts you are wrong? AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #129

"because many of you" Babel_17 Apr 2013 #131

Then what is so bad about the President supporting the overwhelming bipartisan national consensus? Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #141