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randome

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32. If he does nothing but sticks to principle, nothing gets done for 2 years.

Fri Apr 5, 2013, 06:58 PM

Apr 2013

If he makes this offer and it's accepted, then a House/Senate committee would work out the differences. Which means pretty much nothing could be assumed.

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I Think Obama Is Bluffing [View all] ProSense Apr 2013 OP

the republicans will never sign on to anything he offers-they will never give up oil & gas loopholes spanone Apr 2013 #1

No one bluffs in the second term still_one Apr 2013 #2

They might if they want a different House in the 2nd half (n/t) thesquanderer Apr 2013 #61

Was sequestration a bluff also? How is that working out? still_one Apr 2013 #71

Sequestration was not conceived/offered in the 2nd term thesquanderer Apr 2013 #80

Because alienating the base is the way to get them out to vote in 2014 dflprincess Apr 2013 #106

You think that voters will love the party for threatening seniors with cuts? Dragonfli Apr 2013 #112

and the way to get a different House paulk Apr 2013 #122

No, it's to get people totally fed up with Republicans. thesquanderer Apr 2013 #125

And the Sequester slowly but surely ends the economic come back in the meantime? busterbrown Apr 2013 #94

that's what I said earlier, but people like the outrage OKNancy Apr 2013 #3

Isn't that the truth? greatauntoftriplets Apr 2013 #31

It would then come down to Obama making meaningless offers muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #126

Why offer up something that has nothing to do with the deficit? neverforget Apr 2013 #4

Why talk logic to ideological idiots? randome Apr 2013 #7

Yea that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ L0oniX Apr 2013 #53

True... deutsey Apr 2013 #55

+1000. nt awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #88

That is why I think Obama had another idea up his sleeve. Surely, he knows that SS CTyankee Apr 2013 #43

It's a bargaining chip. Doesnt have to affect the deficit. nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #65

Thank-you. robinlynne Apr 2013 #70

This is the same poster that furiously denied that CPI was EVER offered in the first place. n/t NOVA_Dem Apr 2013 #108

Not fair! the poster has never been wrong about anything and neither has Obama! Dragonfli Apr 2013 #114

OH Come on!! How many times has Obama put SS and/or Chained CPI on the table??? DearHeart Apr 2013 #5

A half a dozen times ... JoePhilly Apr 2013 #26

We had better HOPE that they don't call his "BLUFF" DearHeart Apr 2013 #36

+1 Phlem Apr 2013 #59

If they called his bluff then Obama would lose a fair bit of political capital most likely Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2013 #90

+1 Liberalynn Apr 2013 #110

How exactly do they call his bluff ... let's walk through it. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #140

But seriously...thinking it through with some logic.... Sheepshank Apr 2013 #141

Yea, its been a repeating pattern here. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #142

This has accomplished what? Ohh...just once more and the dam will break??? Really? TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #136

You are almost right. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #145

+100 840high Apr 2013 #100

He was also bluffing when he took single payer off the table. aandegoons Apr 2013 #6

Why bluff? dawg Apr 2013 #8

Why? This is about "health" "care" costs right now as the ACA insurance exchanges are brought online patrice Apr 2013 #39

So next year Democrats can say repukes Zoeisright Apr 2013 #81

Wouldn't it be simpler to point out their mile-long-and-counting track record on that? JHB Apr 2013 #85

Anyone who didn't already know that... dawg Apr 2013 #115

Yes. elleng Apr 2013 #9

To what end? He isn't running for president again, and Marr Apr 2013 #24

If he does nothing but sticks to principle, nothing gets done for 2 years. randome Apr 2013 #32

The point is THEY won't agree to ANYTHING, elleng Apr 2013 #34

the problem here is that the repubs are coming back saying "it's not enough" and we're CTyankee Apr 2013 #45

That's what he's saying, essentially: elleng Apr 2013 #47

but it doesn't get him out of the situation and that is what I think he wants...he wants CTyankee Apr 2013 #49

Right, they don't want that at all. elleng Apr 2013 #54

Right. Obama obviously knows this, so he thinks the repugs will suffer at the polls for this, CTyankee Apr 2013 #56

That's The Gamble, That He Can Withstand Those Attacks, And WHY Can't He? Skraxx Apr 2013 #76

I could see that. Plus, it argues for replacing R's with D's in Congress BadgerKid Apr 2013 #99

Thank you- well stated. KaryninMiami Apr 2013 #128

Nicely summed up. GoCubsGo Apr 2013 #137

Well, they'll SAY anything (and even some Ds will say 'he proposed cuts to SS' as if he meant to.) elleng Apr 2013 #77

I think he is, too. I still don't like it but I'm waiting to see how it all works out. randome Apr 2013 #10

"Nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to"...nt SidDithers Apr 2013 #11

God, I hope so. We're on S/S and Medicare. trof Apr 2013 #12

I reject this argument that Obama is a reckless moron cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #13

How can ProSense Apr 2013 #18

The idea that the Leader of THIS House would accuse THIS president of "hostage taking" Volaris Apr 2013 #68

Maybe if Obama and the repukes worked on what is actually needed, that being JOBS... DearHeart Apr 2013 #40

Dear heart, Obama HAS been working on jobs! Didn't you notice the jobs bill he sent to the House? Hekate Apr 2013 #104

That was a year ago that he signed the bill. DearHeart Apr 2013 #116

I'm just not sure that Obama believes that. I think he knows that there are other ways of CTyankee Apr 2013 #48

Liberals aren't the only ones upset... WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #14

Because obviously, if you wanted to make political hay out of a DOA budget proposal... Marr Apr 2013 #15

+1 forestpath Apr 2013 #20

So the SS and Medicare that many seniors rely on has been reduced to a *poker chip*? winter is coming Apr 2013 #16

Can't play any chips if nobody antes up. nt. OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #25

Let's bet somebody else's money for a change. winter is coming Apr 2013 #28

Do you see any bona fide legislation shafting the 99% on earned benefits? nt. OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #30

I see a willingness to repeatedly offer it up. You don't offer something that many times winter is coming Apr 2013 #33

The President is playing a wedge issue.... OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #57

Yes, it's so funny to read posts from DUers who are worried about how they'll make ends meet. winter is coming Apr 2013 #67

Are you one of those DUers worried about making ends meet?..... OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #96

It's sort of like the Republicans use of abortion as a wedge issue. tblue37 Apr 2013 #78

Yep. cliffordu Apr 2013 #109

I don't. MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #17

If Obama is bluffing - and I don't think he is - he is playing with peoples' lives. forestpath Apr 2013 #19

If we somehow avoid disaster this time kenny blankenship Apr 2013 #117

To what end? n2doc Apr 2013 #21

Emperor's New Clothes Quantess Apr 2013 #22

Obama: "I agree with you. Now make me do it." pacalo Apr 2013 #23

Why does he have to be MADE to do it? MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #86

I'm glad you asked because I regretted not adding that I'm not thrilled about pacalo Apr 2013 #95

Then let me rephrase: Then HOW can WE make him NOT sacrifice SS to the Repugs if that's MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #119

I'm not convinced -- yet -- that he would actually make any cuts to SS. pacalo Apr 2013 #120

That already happened with Simpson Bowles. Did he not get the message then about how MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #121

I'm cautiously optimistic. pacalo Apr 2013 #123

Well, we now know it's not his "ideal plan" but he's going with it. So screw us. MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #129

Clearly, Reading minds isn't part of the schtick here. Sheepshank Apr 2013 #146

I don't like people jerking my chain. bahrbearian Apr 2013 #27

I h o p e you are right. ananda Apr 2013 #29

Daddy is gambling with the Rent Money again. bvar22 Apr 2013 #35

I just talked to Sen. Pat Roberts's staff person who says the senator will in NO way support patrice Apr 2013 #37

There's this, patrice. sheshe2 Apr 2013 #46

I agree with that. Also, HOW would a Public Option have dealt with rising health care costs??? patrice Apr 2013 #69

I posted this on my link, patrice. sheshe2 Apr 2013 #74

I Concur- ruffburr Apr 2013 #38

That worked so well with the sequester. Cleita Apr 2013 #41

Bingo! jsr Apr 2013 #91

My only complaint is that this clever move has emboldened the Obama haters on this forum... Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #42

LOL clever move...Obama haters...bigotry...omg laundry_queen Apr 2013 #134

LOL, OK, More 3 or 4 or 5 dimensional chess shit I guess. Classic. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #44

nope, try traditional politics n/t Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2013 #97

Come on people, don't be deluded. The Reps aren't ever going to agree to a tax increase. Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2013 #50

But he's not being reasonable at all. freedom fighter jh Apr 2013 #72

He has to throw something out there to show he's "serious" Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2013 #92

I don't get it. freedom fighter jh Apr 2013 #98

No, Obama gets to look reasonable to the majority, Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2013 #102

Yeah, the Reps look bad. But so what -- Obama's lost the game already freedom fighter jh Apr 2013 #105

You're not getting it Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2013 #111

Maybe if I'm not getting it that's because it doesn't make sense. freedom fighter jh Apr 2013 #124

Link Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2013 #132

What's your point? freedom fighter jh Apr 2013 #138

Nah, this is as far as it goes. Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2013 #139

Nonsense. GeorgeGist Apr 2013 #130

Yeah. That thirteen dimension chess thing. Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #51

"Liberals are upset" yea start out with the reframe. Real Democrats are upset. L0oniX Apr 2013 #52

I agree. I'll get jumped on and called naive, but I agree. drm604 Apr 2013 #58

Not really. The republicans will surely use this in their propaganda that "Obama wanted to CTyankee Apr 2013 #64

It's OBAMA'S Budget, Not The Dems Skraxx Apr 2013 #84

Exactly. drm604 Apr 2013 #103

Is that really a winning slogan? "Our party leader wants to cut SS - allow us to save you from him!" muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #127

I agree loyalsister Apr 2013 #60

Just have your excuse for him prepared caseymoz Apr 2013 #62

If George Bush did this... Dems would be screaming... lib2DaBone Apr 2013 #63

And warrantless/evidenceless/juryless execution of American citizens on American soil blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #66

What's more prefabricated than, "We don't know who did it, so it MUST be the government" ? patrice Apr 2013 #73

Hmmmm. Kick and Rec, ProSense. Hekate Apr 2013 #75

Bluffing? libdude Apr 2013 #79

Yep--he needs to make better use of the bully pulpit. nt tblue37 Apr 2013 #82

I don't think the President is bluffing if republicans come up with suitable revenues. bluestate10 Apr 2013 #83

yes 3 dimensional chess again ROFLMAO!!! bowens43 Apr 2013 #87

kick & recommended. William769 Apr 2013 #89

Well, that IS a strategy. I hope this is true, & the elderly, disabled & vets don't have to suffer. Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #93

BS. He's not bluffing broadcaster75201 Apr 2013 #101

Wishful thinking MFrohike Apr 2013 #107

Thank goodness we can rely on Repubs to save our social security? Bonobo Apr 2013 #113

Of course you do. dflprincess Apr 2013 #118

I do too. But why and at what cost? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2013 #131

If anyone believed this nonsense then they would be happy to hear the pitched outcry TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #133

if he is it is SICK Skittles Apr 2013 #135

You HOPE Obama is bluffing Armstead Apr 2013 #143

Of course he is bluffing Larrylarry Apr 2013 #144