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In reply to the discussion: I Think Obama Is Bluffing [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)18. How can
"I reject this argument that Obama is a reckless moron...Obama is not insane, reckless or perverse. "
...you be sure?
I don't necessarily believe he's "bluffing," but there has to be a reason Boehner isn't taking this deal. Maybe it's because Republicans are dead set against revenues, which means that nothing the President offers is going to be good enough.
It could also have to do with the details of the proposal, which no one has seen. Maybe Boehner suspects there is something else there that makes accepting it not worth it.
Boehner rejects Obama budget, sight unseen
By Steve Benen
<...>
And if you're a progressive who strongly opposes changes to Social Security and Medicare, I have good news for you: House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) hasn't seen Obama's new budget, but he's already rejecting it out of hand.
And the Speaker got his $1.5 trillion in spending cut with no corresponding revenue in August 2011. I wonder why Boehner continues to struggle with the basics of the fiscal debate, as if he just weren't paying attention to the details. Presumably, the nation's most powerful Republican lawmaker would have an easier time keeping up on current events.
In any case, I found it especially interesting that Boehner told reporters this morning, "If the president believes these modest entitlement savings are needed to help shore up these programs, there's no reason they should be held hostage for more tax hikes,"
That's actually an amusing, albeit familiar, trick. Boehner has effectively told the president, "You need to put Medicare and Social Security cuts on the table." So Obama is now responding, "Fine, I'll accept Medicare and Social Security cuts if you accept revenue." To which Boehner is now responding, "Now that we agree on Medicare and Social Security cuts, there's no need for revenue."
In other words, Obama is offering to trade one thing for another, while Boehner wants to look at the offer as a gift.
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http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/04/05/17619397-boehner-rejects-obama-budget-sight-unseen
By Steve Benen
<...>
And if you're a progressive who strongly opposes changes to Social Security and Medicare, I have good news for you: House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) hasn't seen Obama's new budget, but he's already rejecting it out of hand.
House Speaker John Boehner immediately dismissed President Barack Obama's package of significant new entitlement cuts tied to new tax revenues, calling them "no way to lead and move the country forward." <...>
"The president got his tax hikes on the wealthy with no corresponding spending cuts," Boehner said. "At some point we need to solve our spending problem...."
And the Speaker got his $1.5 trillion in spending cut with no corresponding revenue in August 2011. I wonder why Boehner continues to struggle with the basics of the fiscal debate, as if he just weren't paying attention to the details. Presumably, the nation's most powerful Republican lawmaker would have an easier time keeping up on current events.
In any case, I found it especially interesting that Boehner told reporters this morning, "If the president believes these modest entitlement savings are needed to help shore up these programs, there's no reason they should be held hostage for more tax hikes,"
That's actually an amusing, albeit familiar, trick. Boehner has effectively told the president, "You need to put Medicare and Social Security cuts on the table." So Obama is now responding, "Fine, I'll accept Medicare and Social Security cuts if you accept revenue." To which Boehner is now responding, "Now that we agree on Medicare and Social Security cuts, there's no need for revenue."
In other words, Obama is offering to trade one thing for another, while Boehner wants to look at the offer as a gift.
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http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/04/05/17619397-boehner-rejects-obama-budget-sight-unseen
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the republicans will never sign on to anything he offers-they will never give up oil & gas loopholes
spanone
Apr 2013
#1
You think that voters will love the party for threatening seniors with cuts?
Dragonfli
Apr 2013
#112
And the Sequester slowly but surely ends the economic come back in the meantime?
busterbrown
Apr 2013
#94
That is why I think Obama had another idea up his sleeve. Surely, he knows that SS
CTyankee
Apr 2013
#43
This is the same poster that furiously denied that CPI was EVER offered in the first place. n/t
NOVA_Dem
Apr 2013
#108
Not fair! the poster has never been wrong about anything and neither has Obama!
Dragonfli
Apr 2013
#114
OH Come on!! How many times has Obama put SS and/or Chained CPI on the table???
DearHeart
Apr 2013
#5
If they called his bluff then Obama would lose a fair bit of political capital most likely
Bodhi BloodWave
Apr 2013
#90
This has accomplished what? Ohh...just once more and the dam will break??? Really?
TheKentuckian
Apr 2013
#136
Why? This is about "health" "care" costs right now as the ACA insurance exchanges are brought online
patrice
Apr 2013
#39
Wouldn't it be simpler to point out their mile-long-and-counting track record on that?
JHB
Apr 2013
#85
the problem here is that the repubs are coming back saying "it's not enough" and we're
CTyankee
Apr 2013
#45
but it doesn't get him out of the situation and that is what I think he wants...he wants
CTyankee
Apr 2013
#49
Right. Obama obviously knows this, so he thinks the repugs will suffer at the polls for this,
CTyankee
Apr 2013
#56
Well, they'll SAY anything (and even some Ds will say 'he proposed cuts to SS' as if he meant to.)
elleng
Apr 2013
#77
I think he is, too. I still don't like it but I'm waiting to see how it all works out.
randome
Apr 2013
#10
The idea that the Leader of THIS House would accuse THIS president of "hostage taking"
Volaris
Apr 2013
#68
Maybe if Obama and the repukes worked on what is actually needed, that being JOBS...
DearHeart
Apr 2013
#40
Dear heart, Obama HAS been working on jobs! Didn't you notice the jobs bill he sent to the House?
Hekate
Apr 2013
#104
I'm just not sure that Obama believes that. I think he knows that there are other ways of
CTyankee
Apr 2013
#48
Because obviously, if you wanted to make political hay out of a DOA budget proposal...
Marr
Apr 2013
#15
So the SS and Medicare that many seniors rely on has been reduced to a *poker chip*?
winter is coming
Apr 2013
#16
Do you see any bona fide legislation shafting the 99% on earned benefits? nt.
OldDem2012
Apr 2013
#30
I see a willingness to repeatedly offer it up. You don't offer something that many times
winter is coming
Apr 2013
#33
Yes, it's so funny to read posts from DUers who are worried about how they'll make ends meet.
winter is coming
Apr 2013
#67
If Obama is bluffing - and I don't think he is - he is playing with peoples' lives.
forestpath
Apr 2013
#19
Then let me rephrase: Then HOW can WE make him NOT sacrifice SS to the Repugs if that's
MotherPetrie
Apr 2013
#119
That already happened with Simpson Bowles. Did he not get the message then about how
MotherPetrie
Apr 2013
#121
Well, we now know it's not his "ideal plan" but he's going with it. So screw us.
MotherPetrie
Apr 2013
#129
I just talked to Sen. Pat Roberts's staff person who says the senator will in NO way support
patrice
Apr 2013
#37
I agree with that. Also, HOW would a Public Option have dealt with rising health care costs???
patrice
Apr 2013
#69
My only complaint is that this clever move has emboldened the Obama haters on this forum...
Comrade_McKenzie
Apr 2013
#42
Come on people, don't be deluded. The Reps aren't ever going to agree to a tax increase.
Benton D Struckcheon
Apr 2013
#50
Yeah, the Reps look bad. But so what -- Obama's lost the game already
freedom fighter jh
Apr 2013
#105
Not really. The republicans will surely use this in their propaganda that "Obama wanted to
CTyankee
Apr 2013
#64
Is that really a winning slogan? "Our party leader wants to cut SS - allow us to save you from him!"
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2013
#127
And warrantless/evidenceless/juryless execution of American citizens on American soil
blkmusclmachine
Apr 2013
#66
What's more prefabricated than, "We don't know who did it, so it MUST be the government" ?
patrice
Apr 2013
#73
I don't think the President is bluffing if republicans come up with suitable revenues.
bluestate10
Apr 2013
#83
Well, that IS a strategy. I hope this is true, & the elderly, disabled & vets don't have to suffer.
Honeycombe8
Apr 2013
#93
If anyone believed this nonsense then they would be happy to hear the pitched outcry
TheKentuckian
Apr 2013
#133