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In reply to the discussion: Celebrating Obama's Nobel Peace Prize and his efforts in the spirit of the award. [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)43. FAIL. Contrary
"2,305 killed by Obama in drone strikes in Pakistan by my count"
...to misinformation, here are the fact surrounding the drone strikes under President Obama.
The report, Living Under Drones, states that between August 2010 and April 2012, civilian casualties were 117 to 284, including 17 children.
It also states that from January 2009 to December 2011, which ecompasses some of the above data, 297 to 559, including about 64 children.
See Appendix C, pages 178 - 179.
Living Under Drones
http://www.law.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/organization/149662/doc/slspublic/Stanford_NYU_LIVING_UNDER_DRONES.pdf
The majority of the strikes were in Pakistan.
First, while civilian casualties are rarely acknowledged by the US government, there is significant evidence that US drone strikes have injured and killed civilians. In public statements, the US states that there have been no or single digit civilian casualties.[2] It is difficult to obtain data on strike casualties because of US efforts to shield the drone program from democratic accountability, compounded by the obstacles to independent investigation of strikes in North Waziristan. The best currently available public aggregate data on drone strikes are provided by The Bureau of Investigative Journalism (TBIJ), an independent journalist organization. TBIJ reports that from June 2004 through mid-September 2012, available data indicate that drone strikes killed 2,562-3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom 474-881 were civilians, including 176 children.[3] TBIJ reports that these strikes also injured an additional 1,228-1,362 individuals. Where media accounts do report civilian casualties, rarely is any information provided about the victims or the communities they leave behind. This report includes the harrowing narratives of many survivors, witnesses, and family members who provided evidence of civilian injuries and deaths in drone strikes to our research team. It also presents detailed accounts of three separate strikes, for which there is evidence of civilian deaths and injuries, including a March 2011 strike on a meeting of tribal elders that killed some 40 individuals.
http://livingunderdrones.org/
http://livingunderdrones.org/
The two issues, drone strikes and targeted killing, are intertwined, but the solution to targeted killings is separate from what to do about drone.
Did you hear that President Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize for nuclear disarmament?
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/10/09/nobel-committee-member-nuclear-disarmament-efforts-won-obama-the-prize/
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Celebrating Obama's Nobel Peace Prize and his efforts in the spirit of the award. [View all]
ProSense
Apr 2013
OP
Giving Obama the Noble Peace Prize, particularly that early in his presidency, always struck me
el_bryanto
Apr 2013
#1
Purposely aiming bombs at children: "It kind of opens our aperture."
woo me with science
Apr 2013
#34
"his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples"
rug
Apr 2013
#24
the op is about obama deserving a peace prize on work for disarming nukes
riverbendviewgal
Apr 2013
#92
What are you trying to rationalize? That Bush was a worse child killer? Plez rethink that. nm
rhett o rick
Apr 2013
#83
Are these children = to those who can and DO DIE for being on the "wrong" side of RKBA? nt
patrice
Apr 2013
#159
But the millions of people who could be affected by a nuclear confrontation
NYC Liberal
Apr 2013
#62
Based on consistent effort and leadership in this area you must think Dick Lugar deserves like five
TheKentuckian
Apr 2013
#31
In Afghanistan: U.S. Violating Human Rights of Children, Says U.N. Committee
woo me with science
Apr 2013
#16
Who on Earth says he is? PLEASE, some of us are trying to look at this as honestly as we can.
patrice
Apr 2013
#138
That's YOUR propagandist spin on OP responding to OFF-TOPIC counter-points. An objective
patrice
Apr 2013
#216
New US Drone Strike "Double-Taps" Indicate Possible War Crimes - Targeting First Responders
woo me with science
Apr 2013
#23
Chris Hayes: we face "stark choice between the war we are now fighting" and the law.
woo me with science
Apr 2013
#30
luckily there is a trash button and an ignore button. I'm going to push one of those buttons just
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#59
The OP is about nuclear arms. Another poster has posted more times than the OP
Number23
Apr 2013
#202
Renditions do not take place in a federal court--they were arrested, not renditioned. nt
msanthrope
Apr 2013
#184
Chilling Legal Memo From Obama DOJ Justifies Assassination of US Citizens
woo me with science
Apr 2013
#60
Ex-Gitmo Prosecutor: Obama's Drone Surge as Damaging as Bush Torture Program
woo me with science
Apr 2013
#65
Obama Administration Won’t Show Secret Legal Opinions For Targeted Killings
woo me with science
Apr 2013
#69
March 15, 2013: Court deals blow to Obama drone secrecy: No more stonewalling
woo me with science
Apr 2013
#72
Your propaganda about "their" propaganda is based upon a 100% stereotype, i.e. a defnite
patrice
Apr 2013
#172
To most it is obvious that it was a bad move to award the President the peace prize.
NCTraveler
Apr 2013
#88
NAMING THE DEAD: Journalists Exposing Civilian Victims of US Drone Attacks
woo me with science
Apr 2013
#93
Are those people = to those who can and DO DIE for being on the "wrong" side of RKBA? nt
patrice
Apr 2013
#158
relatively meaningless stuff serving an obvious purpose to almost all responders here
stupidicus
Apr 2013
#105
Uh, the nuclear weapons part is secondary to "international diplomacy & cooperation between peoples"
progressoid
Apr 2013
#103
Thanks so much, ProSense!! I trashed the other thread. The ODSers are out of control!!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Apr 2013
#122
A refusal to honestly weigh ^this^ position relative to its opposite is evidence of PROPAGANDA.
patrice
Apr 2013
#140
You know why we never see that case? Because they CAN'T bring it AND they know they can't, because
patrice
Apr 2013
#154
Wondering why that Nobel is so obnoxious to those who would greet BLOOD for The Constitution with
patrice
Apr 2013
#143
Are those children = to those who DO, or could, DIE for being on the "wrong" side of RKBA?
patrice
Apr 2013
#156
It is not my logic. You appear to believe nukes are the only issue and other considerations
Dragonfli
Apr 2013
#187
I imagine it was me that replied dozens of times FAIL while pasting an article about nukes
Dragonfli
Apr 2013
#190
In all fairness it is hard to say if it is due to being victims of a cultish fanaticism as
Dragonfli
Apr 2013
#193
Took 30 posts (yes I had a minute and counted) but finally the person who became so... agitated
Number23
Apr 2013
#207