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ProSense

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27. FAIL. Here:
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:53 AM
Apr 2013
Drone Program May Shift From CIA to Military

NEW YORK – A report in The Daily Beast today said that the Obama administration is considering taking targeted killing responsibilities from the CIA and placing them under the control of the military.

“Ending the CIA’s role as a paramilitary killing organization would be an important step in the right direction,” said Hina Shamsi, director of the American Civil Liberties Union National Security Project. “President Obama took the CIA out of the torture and detention business, and it’s past time to do the same with targeted killings. As important as this change would be, the killing program is still wrapped in unwarranted secrecy, and is still unlawful in its scope, dangerous, and unwise. Far greater transparency and accountability for targeted killings must accompany any change of responsibility, and it remains to be seen whether the secretive Joint Special Operations Command will address those concerns.”

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/drone-program-may-shift-cia-military


Posted that here (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022542135), it sank like a stone.

Nobel Committee Member: Nuclear Disarmament Efforts Won Obama the Prize
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/10/09/nobel-committee-member-nuclear-disarmament-efforts-won-obama-the-prize/
Giving Obama the Noble Peace Prize, particularly that early in his presidency, always struck me el_bryanto Apr 2013 #1
But Obama has a lifelong history of not being George W Bush. Lasher Apr 2013 #14
Well you got me there. nt el_bryanto Apr 2013 #17
Thank you, I needed to laugh. Beacool Apr 2013 #102
US Military Approves Bombing Children woo me with science Apr 2013 #2
FAIL ProSense Apr 2013 #5
Purposely aiming bombs at children: "It kind of opens our aperture." woo me with science Apr 2013 #34
FAIL ProSense Apr 2013 #48
Ironic, since the Bushes have reduced more nukes. progressoid Apr 2013 #167
You should ProSense Apr 2013 #168
Did they progressoid Apr 2013 #169
No, but ProSense Apr 2013 #170
I said nothing about the Bushes being more deserving. progressoid Apr 2013 #173
In response ProSense Apr 2013 #174
Oh c'mon. progressoid Apr 2013 #175
Oh please, ProSense Apr 2013 #177
Yes, but not NUCLEAR bombs. n/t hughee99 Apr 2013 #107
Let's complete the picture. rug Apr 2013 #3
FAIL ProSense Apr 2013 #6
"his efforts in the spirit of the award" rug Apr 2013 #9
Try a little ProSense Apr 2013 #21
"his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples" rug Apr 2013 #24
Comprehension ProSense Apr 2013 #32
April 2010. rug Apr 2013 #130
OK ProSense Apr 2013 #131
"The Inside Story of How the White House Let Diplomacy Fail in Afghanistan" rug Apr 2013 #134
A lot ProSense Apr 2013 #135
Let's see . . . . rug Apr 2013 #137
The ProSense Apr 2013 #141
List of children killed by drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemen woo me with science Apr 2013 #4
More FAIL ProSense Apr 2013 #7
I don't know how we can ignore the killing of children? liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #39
how many children did w bush kill in afghanistan and iraq? riverbendviewgal Apr 2013 #57
Ahhh... So Obama does = Bush? Fix The Stupid Apr 2013 #63
no i said bush started a war in iraq without cause riverbendviewgal Apr 2013 #71
lol. Not a bush supporter or Obama hater. Fix The Stupid Apr 2013 #81
i did not reply that at all riverbendviewgal Apr 2013 #82
See this peeps? Fix The Stupid Apr 2013 #91
the op is about obama deserving a peace prize on work for disarming nukes riverbendviewgal Apr 2013 #92
No, it is how you stop conversation. zeemike Apr 2013 #111
What are you trying to rationalize? That Bush was a worse child killer? Plez rethink that. nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #83
nope riverbendviewgal Apr 2013 #86
Bingo Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #152
The argument is clear, if you murder children without nukes. It is peaceful Dragonfli Apr 2013 #148
Are these children = to those who can and DO DIE for being on the "wrong" side of RKBA? nt patrice Apr 2013 #159
Some of us think all life is precious and all children should be protected. Dragonfli Apr 2013 #171
I agree. nt patrice Apr 2013 #217
US To Award Medals For Killing Civilians woo me with science Apr 2013 #8
The Nobel Peace Prize is politicized BS Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #10
Krugman won a Nobel Prize for economics ProSense Apr 2013 #12
"Kissinger still has his. " Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #19
"It is BS and it doesn't mean shit. " ProSense Apr 2013 #22
I don't see 'upset' Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #28
Has anyone ProSense Apr 2013 #38
Okay, here ya go. Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #56
But the millions of people who could be affected by a nuclear confrontation NYC Liberal Apr 2013 #62
About the peace prize? Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #80
UN launches inquiry into drone killings woo me with science Apr 2013 #11
Don't you ProSense Apr 2013 #15
FAIL G_j Apr 2013 #13
Here's ProSense Apr 2013 #18
Based on consistent effort and leadership in this area you must think Dick Lugar deserves like five TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #31
Yea, I heard G_j Apr 2013 #161
In Afghanistan: U.S. Violating Human Rights of Children, Says U.N. Committee woo me with science Apr 2013 #16
More ProSense Apr 2013 #20
give it a break ProSense Obama is not perfect, he is not a god. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #45
The posse needs to "give it a break" Bobbie Jo Apr 2013 #77
Right, ProSense Apr 2013 #87
Who on Earth says he is? PLEASE, some of us are trying to look at this as honestly as we can. patrice Apr 2013 #138
Excellent post. Bobbie Jo Apr 2013 #183
interesting post noiretextatique Apr 2013 #197
That's YOUR propagandist spin on OP responding to OFF-TOPIC counter-points. An objective patrice Apr 2013 #216
Hey woo, keep on keeping on Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #25
The Prize is "BS" ProSense Apr 2013 #29
Uh, yeah, a press release is pretty much the textbook Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #33
And none of us woo me with science Apr 2013 #36
See, now *that's* funny Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #37
New US Drone Strike "Double-Taps" Indicate Possible War Crimes - Targeting First Responders woo me with science Apr 2013 #23
FAIL. Here: ProSense Apr 2013 #27
UN Report: US Killed Hundreds of Children in Afghanistan woo me with science Apr 2013 #26
Chris Hayes: we face "stark choice between the war we are now fighting" and the law. woo me with science Apr 2013 #30
Bush 2016 ProSense Apr 2013 #35
FAIL. Rationalizing that Pres Obama is justified because Bush was worse rhett o rick Apr 2013 #85
I'm 100% anti-war, but I'm also 100% anti-using children as human shields. JaneyVee Apr 2013 #40
2,305 killed by Obama in drone strikes in Pakistan by my count woo me with science Apr 2013 #41
FAIL. Contrary ProSense Apr 2013 #43
President Obama, did or did you not kill Anwar al-Awlaki? woo me with science Apr 2013 #42
FAIL 1 - Terrorist 0 ProSense Apr 2013 #44
I wish there were an UnRec button. n/t truebluegreen Apr 2013 #46
Me too. n/t ProSense Apr 2013 #49
luckily there is a trash button and an ignore button. I'm going to push one of those buttons just liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #59
Excellent idea! Thank you. truebluegreen Apr 2013 #61
Actually ProSense Apr 2013 #64
It seems that you consider G_j Apr 2013 #163
Repeat: ProSense Apr 2013 #164
The OP is about nuclear arms. Another poster has posted more times than the OP Number23 Apr 2013 #202
Obama Administration Follows Bush, Will Not Sign Land Mine Ban woo me with science Apr 2013 #47
FAIL! Here's a good one: ProSense Apr 2013 #50
Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns woo me with science Apr 2013 #51
FAIL ProSense Apr 2013 #54
Renditions do not take place in a federal court--they were arrested, not renditioned. nt msanthrope Apr 2013 #184
Obama takes the Bush doctrine into the digital realm. woo me with science Apr 2013 #52
This OP. FAIL. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #53
Obama plan would ease weapons export rules woo me with science Apr 2013 #55
Falling behind on ProSense Apr 2013 #58
Chilling Legal Memo From Obama DOJ Justifies Assassination of US Citizens woo me with science Apr 2013 #60
Breaking: ProSense Apr 2013 #66
Ex-Gitmo Prosecutor: Obama's Drone Surge as Damaging as Bush Torture Program woo me with science Apr 2013 #65
News: ProSense Apr 2013 #68
good op riverbendviewgal Apr 2013 #67
Obama Administration Won’t Show Secret Legal Opinions For Targeted Killings woo me with science Apr 2013 #69
Still ProSense Apr 2013 #75
Obama and Graham on the same bloody page. woo me with science Apr 2013 #70
March 15, 2013: Court deals blow to Obama drone secrecy: No more stonewalling woo me with science Apr 2013 #72
Wow, even for you this is incredibly, well, delusional...nt joeybee12 Apr 2013 #73
So you ProSense Apr 2013 #76
Yup, and Henry Kissinger and the entire EU were deserving as well... joeybee12 Apr 2013 #79
Hey, that ProSense Apr 2013 #84
well done AngryAmish Apr 2013 #123
War is Peace! woo me with science Apr 2013 #89
Your propaganda about "their" propaganda is based upon a 100% stereotype, i.e. a defnite patrice Apr 2013 #172
Wow.. what an ignorant personal attack. n/t Cha Apr 2013 #182
Obama: Expanding the concept of "imminence" beyond recognition woo me with science Apr 2013 #74
Sorry that ProSense Apr 2013 #78
To most it is obvious that it was a bad move to award the President the peace prize. NCTraveler Apr 2013 #88
Wing nuts complain that foundation funding is politicized "B.S." Kolesar Apr 2013 #90
NAMING THE DEAD: Journalists Exposing Civilian Victims of US Drone Attacks woo me with science Apr 2013 #93
It's ProSense Apr 2013 #95
Are those people = to those who can and DO DIE for being on the "wrong" side of RKBA? nt patrice Apr 2013 #158
Celebrating old news because of the unpalatability of the new stupidicus Apr 2013 #94
New ProSense Apr 2013 #98
relatively meaningless stuff serving an obvious purpose to almost all responders here stupidicus Apr 2013 #105
Damn, ProSense Apr 2013 #114
hardly, that was deliberate, not only in an effort to show the readers stupidicus Apr 2013 #178
All it did ProSense Apr 2013 #192
oh indeed, replacing one word with a synonym is "disingenuous" stupidicus Apr 2013 #208
Now that you've ProSense Apr 2013 #209
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #211
Again, ProSense Apr 2013 #212
thanks for conceding my use of "rube" was grammatically correct stupidicus Apr 2013 #213
I get it now, your goal really isn't to make sense. ProSense Apr 2013 #214
This post is too late for April Fools Day. Fuddnik Apr 2013 #96
Sick joke, isn't it. woo me with science Apr 2013 #97
The two great Peacemakers. Fuddnik Apr 2013 #99
By the ProSense Apr 2013 #100
The war timeline is well done. Paul E Ester Apr 2013 #194
Good for him. Zorra Apr 2013 #101
Uh, the nuclear weapons part is secondary to "international diplomacy & cooperation between peoples" progressoid Apr 2013 #103
Oops ProSense Apr 2013 #104
More: ProSense Apr 2013 #109
That's the spirit, Pro!!! Beacool Apr 2013 #106
Um, ProSense Apr 2013 #110
Don't worry, Beacool alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #117
Sick joke whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #108
FAIL, but ProSense Apr 2013 #112
It's a fail in that whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #115
Clearly ProSense Apr 2013 #119
What do you expect whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #120
Just what ProSense Apr 2013 #126
You don't even have to EARN it anymore. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #113
Hey ProSense Apr 2013 #116
This is like when Frank Grimes visited Homer Simpson Capt. Obvious Apr 2013 #118
Other Nobel Peace Laureates seem to show concern: Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #121
Cool, ProSense Apr 2013 #128
Thanks so much, ProSense!! I trashed the other thread. The ODSers are out of control!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2013 #122
Dare I ask Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #124
K&R this important thread... SidDithers Apr 2013 #125
Yes, it is important Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #127
If it's ProSense Apr 2013 #129
Just trying to stay on topic Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #136
Yes, ProSense Apr 2013 #142
Umm... Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #144
Yes, ProSense Apr 2013 #145
+100000 And, I would add, woo me with science Apr 2013 #132
More ProSense Apr 2013 #133
For what it's worth angrychair Apr 2013 #139
A refusal to honestly weigh ^this^ position relative to its opposite is evidence of PROPAGANDA. patrice Apr 2013 #140
You know why we never see that case? Because they CAN'T bring it AND they know they can't, because patrice Apr 2013 #154
Wondering why that Nobel is so obnoxious to those who would greet BLOOD for The Constitution with patrice Apr 2013 #143
I love the freak out you caused ... JoePhilly Apr 2013 #146
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha woo me with science Apr 2013 #149
Stop ProSense Apr 2013 #153
Their anger doth appear to overflow beyond the bounds of your OP! JoePhilly Apr 2013 #162
I've never seen anything like it ProSense Apr 2013 #165
I'd have said ... JoePhilly Apr 2013 #166
It's an "ORWELLIAN SICKNESS!!" Because apparently that means something Number23 Apr 2013 #206
Ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho!!! woo me with science Apr 2013 #150
You're ProSense Apr 2013 #155
Are those children = to those who DO, or could, DIE for being on the "wrong" side of RKBA? patrice Apr 2013 #156
I think that Nobel was more about and for America, than Obama quinnox Apr 2013 #147
We tried, anyway. woo me with science Apr 2013 #151
Nonsense! GeorgeGist Apr 2013 #157
No, I really am celebrating. n/t ProSense Apr 2013 #160
I learned something new today G_j Apr 2013 #176
Now you understand the ProSense axiom, stated more clearly be me below Dragonfli Apr 2013 #181
Hey ProSense Apr 2013 #186
It is not my logic. You appear to believe nukes are the only issue and other considerations Dragonfli Apr 2013 #187
No, ProSense Apr 2013 #188
I imagine it was me that replied dozens of times FAIL while pasting an article about nukes Dragonfli Apr 2013 #190
Maybe ProSense Apr 2013 #191
Are you really that obtuse or do you act that way as a convenience? Dragonfli Apr 2013 #195
Clearly ProSense Apr 2013 #196
You opened up the debate by celebrating his peace prize - his actions Dragonfli Apr 2013 #198
Yes, ProSense Apr 2013 #201
the obtuse angle again? Good bye. Dragonfli Apr 2013 #203
Yours? n/t ProSense Apr 2013 #205
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #189
In all fairness it is hard to say if it is due to being victims of a cultish fanaticism as Dragonfli Apr 2013 #193
Actually, ProSense Apr 2013 #199
That's harsh, I would not arrest cultist for their stupidity, I would Dragonfli Apr 2013 #200
It's a ProSense Apr 2013 #204
I should use kid glove euphemisms perhaps, well OK for the children... Dragonfli Apr 2013 #215
Someone ProSense Apr 2013 #185
Thank you, President Obama Cha Apr 2013 #179
kick & recommended. William769 Apr 2013 #180
Took 30 posts (yes I had a minute and counted) but finally the person who became so... agitated Number23 Apr 2013 #207
premature: I think maybe the Nobel committee was trying to pressure him, and hence the U.S., patrice Apr 2013 #218
K&R Tarheel_Dem Apr 2013 #210
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