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In reply to the discussion: 300+ teens attack pedestrians on Chicago's Magnificent mile. 28 arrested [View all]frazzled
(18,402 posts)141. UPDATE: 42nd ward Alderman O'Reilly tells what really happened
This has not been reported accurately to date, so I wanted to post a portion of the email I just received from my alderman, whose district also contains that part of the Mag Mile:
I am writing to provide you with some additional information regarding the very disturbing incident that occurred at the intersection of Chicago and Michigan avenues on Saturday evening. Please know that I have already contacted the Chicago Police Department to request a detailed plan for the 2013 Warm Weather Season, to deter these incidents as the weather continues to improve.
(snip)
On Saturday evening, large groups of teenagers converged on the intersection of Chicago Avenue and Michigan Avenue. According to the Police Department, there were approximately 400 youth in the crowd, with roughly 50 police officers originally detailed to the area. This large crowd gathering was orchestrated via social media (Facebook and Twitter) messaging, predominantly by teenagers and some individuals in their early 20's.
As the Police Department witnessed the crowd growing and becoming increasingly volatile, the Commander of the 18th District redeployed additional police resources from other areas of the District to Michigan Avenue. There was a substantial surge in police presence at this location when fighting finally broke out between different groups of teens in the larger crowd.
The Police Department reported that there were no robberies during the incident, and the multiple battery charges and arrests were fights that broke out between rival groups of teenagers in the large crowd that assembled at this location. The Police reported a few pedestrians received minor injuries when the youth were fleeing the Police and bumped into them on the sidewalk - but no pedestrians were targeted by the crowd.
Thanks to the swift response from the Chicago Police Department, a total of 29 arrests were made downtown on Saturday evening.
(snip)
I want to thank the brave men and women of the 18th and 1st Police Districts for their excellent police work on Saturday evening - aggressively managing this very large, volatile crowd of teenagers. They reacted quickly and professionally in response to this incident, and I am truly grateful for their service.
Unfortunately, a swift, professional response to these incidents is not enough. We need increased police presence and visibility in the Central Business District during the warm weather to prevent these events from occurring in the first place.
I'm not sure I want massive police presence in that area, but it's a major economic and tourist engine in this city, so I can understand why this needs to be addressed in a more proactive, rather than reactive, way.
NOTE: To any persons in this thread who advocate citizens being armed, please note that it would be an utter tragedy if such armed citizens took aimed at these kids who were not threatening them directly in any way. Leave this to the well-trained members of our police force, who did a great job dissipating the incident with a relatively small number of arrests and no violence.
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300+ teens attack pedestrians on Chicago's Magnificent mile. 28 arrested [View all]
cali
Apr 2013
OP
Just wait until the gangs get tired of just attacking people in their own neighborhoods and Mich Ave
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#40
Of course. I figure the people in Sandy Hook probably didn't give it much thought.
jmg257
Apr 2013
#73
I'm sure if our gun toting friends had been in Chicago, a bunch of unarmed teenagers would be dead,
Hoyt
Apr 2013
#157
Few, if any, were hurt. Of course a "menacing" crowd would be justification enought for gun cultists
Hoyt
Apr 2013
#165
That's great. But I didn't write the AWB. I have read the federal bills, and numerous
jmg257
Apr 2013
#185
I'm not sure "savages" describes this situation, especially if you think playing judge, jury,
Hoyt
Apr 2013
#217
The definition of the idiom in question is clear, you misused it regardless of context
Marengo
Apr 2013
#245
I am awaiting an explaination of your statement "I really wish you would leave your guns at home."
Marengo
Apr 2013
#259
I grew tired of having to explain everything to you. I think it is plain enough. n/t
Hoyt
Apr 2013
#261
Nope, you're not weaseling out of this one. I'm waiting for an explaination...
Marengo
Apr 2013
#268
Very, very little of what they actually did could be characterized as "attacking."
Gidney N Cloyd
Apr 2013
#225
They were shagged into the Red Line by the cops and some folks got tussled in the process.
Gidney N Cloyd
Apr 2013
#247
No, (1) the tag-line in the post ("Renew the Assault Weapons Ban") and (2) the statement "Glad I was
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#107
chicago has 12,244 police officers, one for every .019th of a square mile. how many do you think
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#178
The NRA wants guns out of the hands of people who are potentially dangerous to others
HereSince1628
Apr 2013
#14
I don't have preferences about what criminals think. But you've raised another curiosity
HereSince1628
Apr 2013
#54
I think calling someone an authoritarian merely for holding a different position is
LanternWaste
Apr 2013
#181
The Mag Mile is heavily patrolled. I don't see how the possibility of a few CCWs would be >>>
Gidney N Cloyd
Apr 2013
#41
Fair enough, but I'd still prefer too-light punishment over the risk of >>>
Gidney N Cloyd
Apr 2013
#74
No matter how YOU intend that, it can also suggest thuggery as political action, which can be an
patrice
Apr 2013
#114
"thuggery as political action." I doubt some F.U.s think along those lines...
Eleanors38
Apr 2013
#272
Since when did he advocate "for a bloodbath"? Why isn't the truth good enough?
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#11
It was Spring Break for kids, not parents, who are likely working, or at night, hear
ancianita
Apr 2013
#130
Some would claim they have (or should have) the right to carry an assault rifle down Michigan Ave.
Gidney N Cloyd
Apr 2013
#144
Currently it's on AWB because that's faster killing. Going after handguns in the hands of criminals
freshwest
Apr 2013
#266
LMAO. With folks like LaPierre appointed to high Cabinet positions or Supreme Court.
Hoyt
Apr 2013
#229
i have no evidence this story is fake. but others have been, & when i hear "gangs of 300 blacks
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#133
I saw nothing in the report (written or visual) that said they were black. n/t
OnlinePoker
Apr 2013
#187
the coverage made it completely clear that they were black. and the historical context is
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#236
Yup, except for the dozens of arrests and scores of witnesses, it's exactly the same.
11 Bravo
Apr 2013
#123
were you one of them? cause there were arrests and witnesses in the central park case too.
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#127
Operative terms: "dozens" and "scores". That was not the case in the NYPD ...
11 Bravo
Apr 2013
#136
In the past, the Chicago Tribune, the Sun Times, and others in the Chicago-area MSM have
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#12
Less poverty and more education would solve the problem. But let's keep filling
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#26
They have already suffered the consequences of a society that doesn't care about
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#44
It would be interesting to know how much of our violent culture is spurred by poor economics.
CrispyQ
Apr 2013
#109
I guess one wouldn't, and would organize their outings very carefully. Women have to do that anyway.
freshwest
Apr 2013
#265
Illinois only allows "serious offenses" to land a juvenile in adult court.
geek tragedy
Apr 2013
#43
No, it does not work. Why do you think 'a few days in jail' is the way to 'scare'
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#49
Young people don't learn right from wrong in jail. Most civilized nations do not
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#200
Hey Sabrina1, I'm curious what you think would be an appropriate action to take
octothorpe
Apr 2013
#70
Because most of them hadn't done much besides show up. And they apparently dispersed when told to.
Gidney N Cloyd
Apr 2013
#68
I haven't paid much attention, but it seems like Chicago is like NYC in the 80's.
TwilightGardener
Apr 2013
#52
It started in 2011, but has not been covered by the MSM until now. There were too many
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#76
It has been all over the fucking media in Chicago. Where are you getting this crazy shit?!?
ieoeja
Apr 2013
#147
More than 300? That's crazy. That's a sign that something is seriously wrong
octothorpe
Apr 2013
#63
Yes, something is seriously wrong but nobody is willing to even talk about the core problem
slackmaster
Apr 2013
#72
hey, yeah, an assault weapon could have taken out all 300+ teens! (and everyone else)
librechik
Apr 2013
#75
STRAWMAN. No one is making that argument other than you. Why isn't the truth good enough?
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#80
what? No one? Really? The answer is, we activists tend to seize on small everyday news items
librechik
Apr 2013
#83
What I find is that gun-controllers (or people-controller wannabes) regularly make straw-man
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#102
It's obvious when those who promote more and more guns in public pounce on a topic like this.
Hoyt
Apr 2013
#169
You are the one who seems to feel a moral superiority… you are the one calling out
KittyWampus
Apr 2013
#91
A literary reference that simultaneously demonstrates that you totally missed the point of
Egalitarian Thug
Apr 2013
#206
coincidentally, no pedestrians were attacked, though it was reported that way in the media.
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#160
If so, then Andrew Holmes report from the Good Men Project is wrong. See post #161.
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#162
yes, it probably is. since none of the people reportedly attacked by 300 black teens have come
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#166
How exactly do you know that "none of the people reportedly attacked by 300 black teens have come
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#168
not by a gang of 300 black teens. but whatever. feel free to post the story about the women
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#175
Authority in proper measure is essential to civilization. And you better face the fact
KittyWampus
Apr 2013
#89
The fact you must face is that authoritarianism creates those values.
Egalitarian Thug
Apr 2013
#134
Upsetting... but it least it may make people pay attention to problems in other parts of the city
JPZenger
Apr 2013
#101
France wasn't like 1788 France either until it was. It took a while, too bad when the signs
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#129
Actually, that is the exact opposite of what some cops have been reporting, including
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#167
This isn't inconsistent with a scenario of cops coming in for general crowd control and >>>
Gidney N Cloyd
Apr 2013
#186
Thanks for this. Given the witness accounts in the video,this version of the story seems about right
Gidney N Cloyd
Apr 2013
#152
my guess is they're not. since the only persons i've seen who were attacked or robbed was
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#257
I remember the reports of the fake riots during Katrina and the denial of Danzinger Bride
graham4anything
Apr 2013
#210