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proverbialwisdom

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25. I'd like to recommend that you read these quotes in their full context at the linked posts.
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 07:57 PM
Mar 2013
In April, 2011, Dr. David Amaral, Director of Research in the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, UC Davis MIND Institute, was interviewed for PBS by Robert MacNeil.


"... It's not to say, however, that there isn't a small subset of children who may be particularly vulnerable to vaccines. And in their case, having the vaccines, or particular vaccines, particularly in certain kinds of situations -- if the child was ill, if the child had a precondition, like a mitochondrial defect. Vaccinations for those children actually may be the environmental factor that tipped them over the edge of autism. And I think it is incredibly important, still, to try and figure out what, if any, vulnerabilities, in a small subset of children, might make them at risk for having certain vaccinations."


http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/06/autism-and-what-the-experts-are-saying-part-two-.html



On April 2, 2012 on WNYC, interviewer Kurt Andersen... did a segment on the ADDM numbers with Dr. Walter Zahorodny, assistant professor of pediatrics at the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey in Newark. Zahorodny was the lead researcher on the New Jersey portion of the CDC study.


Kurt Andersen (Seth Mnookin's friend): “I guess we know what they (the causes of autism) aren’t, for instance childhood vaccines. Right?
Dr. Zahorodny: “Vaccines don’t play a significant role in autism increasing. Some small number of children probably do have autism because of an adverse vaccine reaction, but they don’t make for the overall rise.”

Starts at 13:20 (AUDIO LINK): http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/2012/apr/02/autism-rates-rise-new-jersey/

http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2012/04/dr-walter-zahorodny-believes-vaccines.html


AUDIO (starts at 40:57): http://onpoint.wbur.org/2012/04/02/autism-numbers-skyrocket/player

Monday, April 2, 2012 at 10:00 AM
Autism Numbers Skyrocket

GUEST: Dr. Geraldine Dawson, chief science officer for the advocacy group Autism Speaks.

Ashbrook: "Dr. Dawson, here's a question online from Melrose, has the link between MMR vaccine and autism been completely discredited. I notice that the word 'vaccine' has not even come up so far in this hour. Is that...for some years that had a lot of attention, is that off the table now, Dr. Dawson?"

Dr. Dawson: "There is no evidence that the increase in prevalence that we're seeing in Autism Spectrum Disorder is linked to the MMR vaccine. You know, if vaccines play a role, and there has not been any evidence thus far to show that it has, it would be a very small minority of individuals who have an underlying medical condition where the vaccine may have triggered an onset of symptoms for an already existing condition or vulnerability. So we do not believe that vaccines are an explanation of the increase and we strongly encourage parents to get their children vaccinated."


http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2012/04/dr-walter-zahorodny-believes-vaccines.html
http://onpoint.wbur.org/2012/04/02/autism-numbers-skyrocket


http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2012/04/dr-walter-zahorodny-believes-vaccines.html

April 3, 2012
by Ginger Taylor

...Ashbrook, like Andersen, took the initiative of bringing the vaccine question into the interview, and in both cases it was merely an invitation to declare the vaccine hypothesis DOA. And neither Zahorodny or Dawson took the opportunity to do so!

They BOTH could have said, "Correct." And just moved on. But they didn't!

They both contradicted their interviewers presumptive statements, and said a version of, "Incorrect, vaccines do cause autism in some children, and it is a smaller number of cases than people think, but I don't see that vaccine induced autism could be playing a major factor in the increase."

IMHO... no way in h-e-double hockey sticks that these two didn't know exactly what they were doing. They had every chance to run from vaccine causation and they didn't. They confirmed it. Then they minimized it.

We have just witnessed the very quiet pushing of the envelope. Dr. Geri Dawson and Dr. Walter Zahorodny have just joined you and me and all our friends in taking our position that vaccines cause some cases of autism, just not all the cases of autism. Now we are only separated by the degree in which we believe the vaccine induced autism is a factor in the skyrocketing autism numbers.

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See Dr. Julie Gerberding video here: http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2008/03/julie-gerberding-admits-on-cnn-that.html

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Please also read the letter sent from Dr. Jon Poling to Dr. Steven Novella, a neurologist at Yale University, in post #29 here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014148376
I love vaccines. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #1
k&r uppityperson Mar 2013 #2
Hug me; I'm vaccinated! longship Mar 2013 #3
So once again money was diverted from necessary research Warpy Mar 2013 #4
Oh? proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #7
The only difference is a specific diagnosis Warpy Mar 2013 #13
Oh? proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #36
Oh, people without a medical background writing about a medical condition Warpy Mar 2013 #47
The majority have a child with autism and have ZERO ulterior motives to mislead or misdirect. proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #57
So what? That certainly doesn't make them experts or qualified. morningfog Mar 2013 #62
That factor alone doesn't cut it, I agree with you. They are saying to the public there is more. proverbialwisdom Apr 2013 #63
I see you found more time. morningfog Apr 2013 #64
Please see graphics in posts #33 , #35 and #59 together in order to grasp the concerns of many @AOA. proverbialwisdom Apr 2013 #65
I have to give you props on being prepared.. snooper2 Apr 2013 #68
Age of Autism... SidDithers Mar 2013 #22
Oh? proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #5
Poor Ed doesn't quite understand science. morningfog Mar 2013 #9
The analogy is simple and accessible. So is the information here. proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #11
The analogy is stupid. morningfog Mar 2013 #12
So forget the analogy. Recent remarks by these four establishment researchers contradict the study. proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #15
Did you even read what you posted? morningfog Mar 2013 #18
I'd like to recommend that you read these quotes in their full context at the linked posts. proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #25
"Dr. Geraldine Dawson, chief science officer for the advocacy group Autism Speaks." Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #34
That 2009 publicity campaign sounds abysmal, though created by two fathers of children with autism. proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #39
analogies are not evidence. nt Deep13 Mar 2013 #30
Agreed. This merits more than analogies or platitudes. proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #33
So, what do YOU think is the reason? morningfog Mar 2013 #37
What I think isn't the issue. proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #43
No reason to believe the figures. Deep13 Mar 2013 #46
He sure as hell doesn't understand the immune system! Warpy Mar 2013 #48
k&r Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #6
so how long until the woo people show up? name not needed Mar 2013 #8
They have arrived. morningfog Mar 2013 #10
it shames me that people think age of autism our adventure in autism should be Godhumor Mar 2013 #20
They're always here, posting rubbish from rubbishy websites Warpy Mar 2013 #49
Unsupportable and unsustainable given the current health trends. Wait and see. proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #58
Du rec. Nt xchrom Mar 2013 #14
Good - hopefully the funding for all these studies can now be better directed bhikkhu Mar 2013 #16
If I could recommend an individual post, I'd recommend yours! LeftishBrit Mar 2013 #19
Well said...nt SidDithers Mar 2013 #23
some of those funds need to be directed towards transitioning adults from school to work and liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #28
indeed La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2013 #44
The implications of the flawed control group design discussed here by AOA contributor J.Thompson. proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #17
Do you seriously think links to ageofautism help your argument?...nt SidDithers Mar 2013 #24
Please consider the primary sources cited, NOT the news aggregator/analysis websites, per se. nt proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #26
Then you should post the primary source without the advocacy site middleman...nt SidDithers Mar 2013 #27
No control was needed in this type of study. MAD Dave Mar 2013 #52
May I also point out Wakefield was found to have committed fraud MAD Dave Mar 2013 #54
UK CryShame press release - 9 March 2013 proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #60
DURec. Another win for science over superstition... SidDithers Mar 2013 #21
Exactly MAD Dave Mar 2013 #55
I read about this in Well, No Shit! magazine. nt Deep13 Mar 2013 #29
Did you read this, too? proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #32
You anti-vaxxers are letting your paranoid superstitions... Deep13 Mar 2013 #45
You non-science anti-vaxers scare the shit out of me. n-t Logical Mar 2013 #53
vaccines save lives period. bench scientist Mar 2013 #31
Ginger Taylor: Overall health outcomes matter, not merely reduction of communicable disease levels. proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #35
Wow. "merely reduction of communicable disease levels." morningfog Mar 2013 #38
I was quoting Ginger Taylor's recent testimony before the Maine legislature re: informed consent. proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #40
Ginger Taylor is a calloused ass, then. Some real asshole depravity there. morningfog Mar 2013 #50
I don't have more time to spend on this, however... according to research posted at AOA, proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #59
Glad you won't be posting any more of that tripe in this thread. morningfog Mar 2013 #61
Now that you are locked out, you really won't be adding anymore tripe to this thread! morningfog Apr 2013 #75
Is phenylketonuria caused by consumption of phenylalanine? eridani Mar 2013 #41
This was obvious to everyone but gullible idiots. sagat Mar 2013 #42
Exactly. So what about the 99% of EVERYONE ELSE who's vaccinated and WITHOUT autism alp227 Apr 2013 #70
Here is the abstract of the study if anyone is interested davidpdx Mar 2013 #51
I used to HATE statistics...... MAD Dave Mar 2013 #56
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #66
SPAM^^^^ morningfog Apr 2013 #67
Brian Hooker criticizes a vaccine safety study; hilarity ensues SidDithers Apr 2013 #69
Try some real studies that show proof KRAD74 Apr 2013 #71
Have you links to any "real studies that show proof"? Welcome to DU. uppityperson Apr 2013 #72
That's the problem. KRAD74 Apr 2013 #73
That's because all the research supports vaccines. Those who refuse vaccines are selfish morningfog Apr 2013 #74
Some are not saying to refuse vaccines all together KRAD74 Apr 2013 #76
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