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In reply to the discussion: New study finds no link between 'too many vaccines' and autism [View all]proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)25. I'd like to recommend that you read these quotes in their full context at the linked posts.
In April, 2011, Dr. David Amaral, Director of Research in the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, UC Davis MIND Institute, was interviewed for PBS by Robert MacNeil.
http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/06/autism-and-what-the-experts-are-saying-part-two-.html
"... It's not to say, however, that there isn't a small subset of children who may be particularly vulnerable to vaccines. And in their case, having the vaccines, or particular vaccines, particularly in certain kinds of situations -- if the child was ill, if the child had a precondition, like a mitochondrial defect. Vaccinations for those children actually may be the environmental factor that tipped them over the edge of autism. And I think it is incredibly important, still, to try and figure out what, if any, vulnerabilities, in a small subset of children, might make them at risk for having certain vaccinations."
http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/06/autism-and-what-the-experts-are-saying-part-two-.html
On April 2, 2012 on WNYC, interviewer Kurt Andersen... did a segment on the ADDM numbers with Dr. Walter Zahorodny, assistant professor of pediatrics at the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey in Newark. Zahorodny was the lead researcher on the New Jersey portion of the CDC study.
Starts at 13:20 (AUDIO LINK): http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/2012/apr/02/autism-rates-rise-new-jersey/
http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2012/04/dr-walter-zahorodny-believes-vaccines.html
Kurt Andersen (Seth Mnookin's friend): I guess we know what they (the causes of autism) arent, for instance childhood vaccines. Right?
Dr. Zahorodny: Vaccines dont play a significant role in autism increasing. Some small number of children probably do have autism because of an adverse vaccine reaction, but they dont make for the overall rise.
Starts at 13:20 (AUDIO LINK): http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/2012/apr/02/autism-rates-rise-new-jersey/
http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2012/04/dr-walter-zahorodny-believes-vaccines.html
AUDIO (starts at 40:57): http://onpoint.wbur.org/2012/04/02/autism-numbers-skyrocket/player
Monday, April 2, 2012 at 10:00 AM
Autism Numbers Skyrocket
GUEST: Dr. Geraldine Dawson, chief science officer for the advocacy group Autism Speaks.
http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2012/04/dr-walter-zahorodny-believes-vaccines.html
http://onpoint.wbur.org/2012/04/02/autism-numbers-skyrocket
Monday, April 2, 2012 at 10:00 AM
Autism Numbers Skyrocket
GUEST: Dr. Geraldine Dawson, chief science officer for the advocacy group Autism Speaks.
Ashbrook: "Dr. Dawson, here's a question online from Melrose, has the link between MMR vaccine and autism been completely discredited. I notice that the word 'vaccine' has not even come up so far in this hour. Is that...for some years that had a lot of attention, is that off the table now, Dr. Dawson?"
Dr. Dawson: "There is no evidence that the increase in prevalence that we're seeing in Autism Spectrum Disorder is linked to the MMR vaccine. You know, if vaccines play a role, and there has not been any evidence thus far to show that it has, it would be a very small minority of individuals who have an underlying medical condition where the vaccine may have triggered an onset of symptoms for an already existing condition or vulnerability. So we do not believe that vaccines are an explanation of the increase and we strongly encourage parents to get their children vaccinated."
http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2012/04/dr-walter-zahorodny-believes-vaccines.html
http://onpoint.wbur.org/2012/04/02/autism-numbers-skyrocket
http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2012/04/dr-walter-zahorodny-believes-vaccines.html
April 3, 2012
by Ginger Taylor
...Ashbrook, like Andersen, took the initiative of bringing the vaccine question into the interview, and in both cases it was merely an invitation to declare the vaccine hypothesis DOA. And neither Zahorodny or Dawson took the opportunity to do so!
They BOTH could have said, "Correct." And just moved on. But they didn't!
They both contradicted their interviewers presumptive statements, and said a version of, "Incorrect, vaccines do cause autism in some children, and it is a smaller number of cases than people think, but I don't see that vaccine induced autism could be playing a major factor in the increase."
IMHO... no way in h-e-double hockey sticks that these two didn't know exactly what they were doing. They had every chance to run from vaccine causation and they didn't. They confirmed it. Then they minimized it.
We have just witnessed the very quiet pushing of the envelope. Dr. Geri Dawson and Dr. Walter Zahorodny have just joined you and me and all our friends in taking our position that vaccines cause some cases of autism, just not all the cases of autism. Now we are only separated by the degree in which we believe the vaccine induced autism is a factor in the skyrocketing autism numbers.
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April 3, 2012
by Ginger Taylor
...Ashbrook, like Andersen, took the initiative of bringing the vaccine question into the interview, and in both cases it was merely an invitation to declare the vaccine hypothesis DOA. And neither Zahorodny or Dawson took the opportunity to do so!
They BOTH could have said, "Correct." And just moved on. But they didn't!
They both contradicted their interviewers presumptive statements, and said a version of, "Incorrect, vaccines do cause autism in some children, and it is a smaller number of cases than people think, but I don't see that vaccine induced autism could be playing a major factor in the increase."
IMHO... no way in h-e-double hockey sticks that these two didn't know exactly what they were doing. They had every chance to run from vaccine causation and they didn't. They confirmed it. Then they minimized it.
We have just witnessed the very quiet pushing of the envelope. Dr. Geri Dawson and Dr. Walter Zahorodny have just joined you and me and all our friends in taking our position that vaccines cause some cases of autism, just not all the cases of autism. Now we are only separated by the degree in which we believe the vaccine induced autism is a factor in the skyrocketing autism numbers.
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See Dr. Julie Gerberding video here: http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2008/03/julie-gerberding-admits-on-cnn-that.html
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Please also read the letter sent from Dr. Jon Poling to Dr. Steven Novella, a neurologist at Yale University, in post #29 here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014148376
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The majority have a child with autism and have ZERO ulterior motives to mislead or misdirect.
proverbialwisdom
Mar 2013
#57
That factor alone doesn't cut it, I agree with you. They are saying to the public there is more.
proverbialwisdom
Apr 2013
#63
Please see graphics in posts #33 , #35 and #59 together in order to grasp the concerns of many @AOA.
proverbialwisdom
Apr 2013
#65
So forget the analogy. Recent remarks by these four establishment researchers contradict the study.
proverbialwisdom
Mar 2013
#15
I'd like to recommend that you read these quotes in their full context at the linked posts.
proverbialwisdom
Mar 2013
#25
"Dr. Geraldine Dawson, chief science officer for the advocacy group Autism Speaks."
Starry Messenger
Mar 2013
#34
That 2009 publicity campaign sounds abysmal, though created by two fathers of children with autism.
proverbialwisdom
Mar 2013
#39
it shames me that people think age of autism our adventure in autism should be
Godhumor
Mar 2013
#20
Unsupportable and unsustainable given the current health trends. Wait and see.
proverbialwisdom
Mar 2013
#58
some of those funds need to be directed towards transitioning adults from school to work and
liberal_at_heart
Mar 2013
#28
The implications of the flawed control group design discussed here by AOA contributor J.Thompson.
proverbialwisdom
Mar 2013
#17
Please consider the primary sources cited, NOT the news aggregator/analysis websites, per se. nt
proverbialwisdom
Mar 2013
#26
Then you should post the primary source without the advocacy site middleman...nt
SidDithers
Mar 2013
#27
Ginger Taylor: Overall health outcomes matter, not merely reduction of communicable disease levels.
proverbialwisdom
Mar 2013
#35
I was quoting Ginger Taylor's recent testimony before the Maine legislature re: informed consent.
proverbialwisdom
Mar 2013
#40
I don't have more time to spend on this, however... according to research posted at AOA,
proverbialwisdom
Mar 2013
#59
Now that you are locked out, you really won't be adding anymore tripe to this thread!
morningfog
Apr 2013
#75
Exactly. So what about the 99% of EVERYONE ELSE who's vaccinated and WITHOUT autism
alp227
Apr 2013
#70
That's because all the research supports vaccines. Those who refuse vaccines are selfish
morningfog
Apr 2013
#74