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lumberjack_jeff

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213. Feminist theory as used in 2013 is not "the old standby" you are operating under.

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 03:37 PM

Mar 2013

Q) Do you support the ERA?
A) Heck yeah!
Q) do you support VAWA?
A) Heck yeah!
Q) The ERA says "Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged... on account of sex."
A) Yay!
Q) Does the VAWA abridge equality of rights under the law on account of sex?
A) Heck no! It's not sexist, it only punishes men.

Feminism is about advocacy. It is not about equality except in the sense of "equality for me, by my definitions"

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Do you think the purpose of feminist theory [View all] boston bean Mar 2013 OP

I think, like most theories, it is an academic MineralMan Mar 2013 #1

All DU polls offer "pass", without the OP adding it. boston bean Mar 2013 #2

I did choose that option. MineralMan Mar 2013 #4

The idea that women are of equal status is "an academic theory"? Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #7

No, of course not. Feminist theory MineralMan Mar 2013 #16

And the reason for acknowledging it, reading it and using it, is?? boston bean Mar 2013 #19

That was not the question asked by your poll. MineralMan Mar 2013 #21

I don't get it. whatever. boston bean Mar 2013 #24

It's purely a language issue. MineralMan Mar 2013 #31

There is no misuse of the word theory. boston bean Mar 2013 #33

Theories seek to explain things. That is their purpose. MineralMan Mar 2013 #35

ok, still think you could have chosen an option. boston bean Mar 2013 #46

I vote 'pass' because I understand the goal to be the geek tragedy Mar 2013 #3

But, given that I just said that the goal includes equality for women, geek tragedy Mar 2013 #5

Isn't it only radical feminists who focus on overthrowing the patriarchy? redqueen Mar 2013 #6

I can only communicate my basic understanding of the term. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #9

True, but it is still equality that is sought. boston bean Mar 2013 #11

I guess I think of it as "why should women settle for being geek tragedy Mar 2013 #14

Yep. Helen Reddy Mar 2013 #28

Just to be clear, men should not settle for being equal to what we are geek tragedy Mar 2013 #29

Based on some of the recent trivial issue... Bonobo Mar 2013 #8

This may be the most patronizing and condescending geek tragedy Mar 2013 #13

Thank you. I am honored. Bonobo Mar 2013 #15

Nah, this is all you and your profound insight geek tragedy Mar 2013 #17

I am glad to see that I am beginning to win you over. Bonobo Mar 2013 #23

I'm sure the feminists appreciate you telling them what geek tragedy Mar 2013 #27

Please stop using "the feminists" as if we are all some monolithic entity kdmorris Mar 2013 #175

Very well, "these feminists" will work as an errata? Nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #178

Not good form ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #32

You're right, I think I'm slipping in the snark department. Bonobo Mar 2013 #34

No, definitely bitter ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #38

I dropped a whole pan full of Japanese white "leeks" tonight Bonobo Mar 2013 #42

Ew ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #44

My son found 2 carpet threads. I was shamed but stopped short of seppuku. Bonobo Mar 2013 #50

Yes Dads certainly do ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #54

Yeah, surprisingly men have the whole gamut of emotions at our disposal as well. nt Bonobo Mar 2013 #58

Well try being less adversarial ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #61

I also had my 20th anniversary this year Bonobo Mar 2013 #67

Your first post in this thread was an attack on feminists geek tragedy Mar 2013 #71

Perhaps you are blind to your own lack of endearing qualities... Bonobo Mar 2013 #82

Yes, your personal attack on feminists who say stuff that makes you as a man geek tragedy Mar 2013 #100

I find myself, unsurprisingly,... Bonobo Mar 2013 #105

"white knight" ah, the term of derision used by anti-feminist men to describe geek tragedy Mar 2013 #110

And the reality is that I find you to be a hypocrite Bonobo Mar 2013 #115

Yeah, your constant whining about feminists and posting anti-feminist rants geek tragedy Mar 2013 #127

confused. raising hand here. white knight bad when allied with feminist. good when pulling out chair seabeyond Mar 2013 #157

Allow me to translate: geek tragedy Mar 2013 #158

wow. just wow. shit like this, the so obvious in your face crap that people pretend they do not see. seabeyond Mar 2013 #161

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #133

So what's your deal with feminists then? ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #81

I get annoyed by the American style of dualistic thinking Bonobo Mar 2013 #86

I haven't seen too much what I consider extremist. ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #106

You know what? Bonobo Mar 2013 #111

From my point of view, and statistics I trust back me up ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #131

My, my, ism... reduced to using the dread "tone argument"?!?! opiate69 Mar 2013 #179

Why are you being so antagonistic to her? Is that really necessary? nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #200

We have a history of butting heads.. tho I will agree she can be quite reasonable at times.. opiate69 Mar 2013 #202

Fair enough. The "tone argument" is fairly pointless no matter who uses it. nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #206

I imagine many people do indeed write of fingers burned by toast... LanternWaste Mar 2013 #113

I will wait for the English translation of that post. Nt Bonobo Mar 2013 #117

"Just the ones that see shadows around every corner" NCTraveler Mar 2013 #92

Here's the thing, HappyMe Mar 2013 #36

I'm glad you have finally found a "reason" to boston bean Mar 2013 #39

As I said, if I wanted that option HappyMe Mar 2013 #52

Still, very happy for you, happy me! boston bean Mar 2013 #121

Bless your heart. HappyMe Mar 2013 #124

Yes, bless my beating heart. Happy me!!!!!!!!! nt boston bean Mar 2013 #126

What you have liked better as an option? ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #43

That poster is eager to dismiss the concerns geek tragedy Mar 2013 #49

Interesting. And the snark in the post he replied to was ... ? nt redqueen Mar 2013 #60

+100000000000 redqueen Mar 2013 #45

+1 Sargasso Sea Mar 2013 #22

From the one who dismissed ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #26

"Precious." Here I thought the term a derogatory expression for my gun... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #56

Pass. HappyMe Mar 2013 #10

So that leads me to believe that you do feel that boston bean Mar 2013 #12

If I thought that I would have HappyMe Mar 2013 #18

Just the usually equivocation ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #20

A lot of men are in favor of feminism so long as geek tragedy Mar 2013 #25

Yep! redqueen Mar 2013 #62

That sounds more like projection. polly7 Mar 2013 #66

It's observation. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #70

Ahh .... it sounded like you might actually have some convincing polly7 Mar 2013 #72

If you want examples: geek tragedy Mar 2013 #80

Yep. And it isn't that they disagree, it's the hair on fire freakouts. redqueen Mar 2013 #87

Zealot like? polly7 Mar 2013 #93

Wow, really? Still? Even after you were shown to be so disingenuous redqueen Mar 2013 #97

What are you talking about? polly7 Mar 2013 #101

Really? Really?! redqueen Mar 2013 #103

How strange. polly7 Mar 2013 #108

Um... cyberswede Mar 2013 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author polly7 Mar 2013 #176

The point for me is, why was this disgusting bit of trivia brought to DU... pacalo Mar 2013 #181

Thank you. I thought it was obvious. polly7 Mar 2013 #183

And to heighten the flames of the torches & sharpen the pitchforks. pacalo Mar 2013 #187

LaPierresque. nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #99

That is a misinterpretation of projection. ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #75

Phrases like "you little man" & "you men" certainly contribute to the men-are-the-enemy perception. pacalo Mar 2013 #184

There is a difference between the goal and the method (nt) The Straight Story Mar 2013 #30

This, I agree. nt Raine1967 Mar 2013 #135

It's just what people use to say about boston bean Mar 2013 #136

Perhaps you meant to tell that to the person I agreed with. Raine1967 Mar 2013 #156

I was lecturing? A couple of short sentences is lecturing? boston bean Mar 2013 #165

Please don't feign ignorance. Raine1967 Mar 2013 #168

You are alienating me with your post. boston bean Mar 2013 #169

I think you will be just fine. Raine1967 Mar 2013 #171

I am fine and don't need you to tell me whether I am or not. boston bean Mar 2013 #173

I never said you needed anything. Raine1967 Mar 2013 #174

Let's see boston bean Mar 2013 #177

All I will say is....this discussion nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #203

The bashing ... 99Forever Mar 2013 #37

This whole thread will be bashing anyone that dares to respond Bonobo Mar 2013 #40

Of course it will. 99Forever Mar 2013 #47

No I don't ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #90

+1 Well said. nt oldhippie Mar 2013 #182

My vote is every bit as serious as the poll itself pintobean Mar 2013 #48

For the record, it was quite serious. boston bean Mar 2013 #84

So, it's not the theory, it's those that put it into practice? boston bean Mar 2013 #41

Asked and answered. 99Forever Mar 2013 #53

Yep, it was asked and it was answered. boston bean Mar 2013 #57

Why do you use the word "militant"? nt redqueen Mar 2013 #64

Perhaps... 99Forever Mar 2013 #68

No, I'm not the one using it. redqueen Mar 2013 #74

"Physician heal thyself." 99Forever Mar 2013 #79

Rush would have said the same thing to Sandra Fluke. boston bean Mar 2013 #85

Would he? 99Forever Mar 2013 #89

From what I read on DU about the incident, I'm sure it's so. nt boston bean Mar 2013 #91

Well alrighty then. 99Forever Mar 2013 #95

I speak for myself. Thanks for trying to give me more power, but I reject it just the same. boston bean Mar 2013 #98

Really? 99Forever Mar 2013 #104

Rush Limbaugh says it all the time. Militant, feminazi's etc boston bean Mar 2013 #107

As I said above. 99Forever Mar 2013 #114

I told you what he says. so now you know. boston bean Mar 2013 #116

It's part of the 'shaming', I believe. HappyMe Mar 2013 #118

Saying feminists are militant is something rush limbaugh says. boston bean Mar 2013 #120

LOL!! HappyMe Mar 2013 #123

What method? Pointing out that someone is saying boston bean Mar 2013 #125

do you know who Cathy Brennan is? snooper2 Mar 2013 #163

No I don't. nt boston bean Mar 2013 #164

I agree with you... one_voice Mar 2013 #185

You couldn't possibly apply that to boston bean Mar 2013 #209

I'm not sure I understand what you're.. one_voice Mar 2013 #210

Social Justice JustAnotherGen Mar 2013 #51

And if social justice was achieved, what would we have? boston bean Mar 2013 #55

Depends on how you look at it JustAnotherGen Mar 2013 #151

And that is a very, very good point ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #109

John Stuart Mill's JustAnotherGen Mar 2013 #152

Lots of theories in feminism LittleBlue Mar 2013 #59

This argument sort of reminds me of the gun nuttery of the extremes. Whisp Mar 2013 #63

I think theories on feminism provide perspectives/points of view HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #65

That's why the 'One Billion Rising' ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #73

I think you make really good points. boston bean Mar 2013 #78

+10,000 smirkymonkey Mar 2013 #155

The purpose of the movement is to further women's equality. Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #69

I think you missed the point. boston bean Mar 2013 #76

I agree that rape causes women to live in fear and I hate that, Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #94

It was a response to the fact of what women face boston bean Mar 2013 #102

I see two misogynist trolls outed themselves. LeftyMom Mar 2013 #77

Maybe they don't know we can click to see their names. KamaAina Mar 2013 #96

I'm aware pintobean Mar 2013 #170

Don't really give a shit whatchamacallit Mar 2013 #83

"A man of quality is not threatened by a woman seeking equality." talkingmime Mar 2013 #88

Nice! ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #112

If anything, females are the superior gender. I'm just a guy. talkingmime Mar 2013 #119

That's some multi-layered sexism right there The2ndWheel Mar 2013 #128

Okay. I'm confused. I just think women are superior. Normally men think they are. talkingmime Mar 2013 #130

Superior doesn't equal equal right? The2ndWheel Mar 2013 #141

Our rule on dinner was always "who has any money?" talkingmime Mar 2013 #144

If women are superior, and comparatively precious, then we're doing all the wrong things. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #143

Well, I'll go with the responsibility thing, but not the authority thing. talkingmime Mar 2013 #146

You can't have one without the other. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #147

Why not? My wife rules the nest but I'd lay down my life for her. talkingmime Mar 2013 #148

You're conflating the culture with your household. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #149

I honestly can't say about every woman, but probably. Certainly any child. talkingmime Mar 2013 #150

We're not talking about children. We're talking about women. They are different things. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #159

I don't think that way. My life is a throw away. I've lived it. talkingmime Mar 2013 #162

"Men are expendable in defense of the women" No.... YoungDemCA Mar 2013 #211

The person I'm responding to is a man. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #212

Someone just posted a George Carlin video saying something similar ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #134

I hear there are some anti-abortion bills progressing in the states. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #122

Nah, it's just a bunch of smartass uppity wimmens who don't know their place. Zorra Mar 2013 #129

Sarcasm tag necessary., geek tragedy Mar 2013 #132

Yep, now, them wimmens is really gettin' out of hand. Best to take 'em Zorra Mar 2013 #137

It's changed to the "method" now. We are down to the methods used. boston bean Mar 2013 #138

I see. Zorra Mar 2013 #139

lol seabeyond Mar 2013 #166

I think the purpose of feminist "theory" is to create a mental model for understanding things Recursion Mar 2013 #140

"There are as many purposes of feminist practice as there are practitioners of feminism." Good point nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #204

I think it's worth making the distinction between feminist theory and its practical application. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #142

I find the terms 'bash' and 'criticize' to mean two different things. Rex Mar 2013 #145

To explain historic gender relations and to deconstruct assumptions about those relations. nt Deep13 Mar 2013 #153

Nice! Beautiful in its essential succinctness. Zorra Mar 2013 #160

to deconstruct assumptions about those relations. seabeyond Mar 2013 #167

none of the above HiPointDem Mar 2013 #172

Neither. It is to provide employment for academics. cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #180

Do you feel the same about professors of black studies and LGBT issues MattBaggins Mar 2013 #189

I am certain that its purpose is NOT to bash and/or criticize men... cherokeeprogressive Mar 2013 #186

If the purpose of your feminist "theory" is to further equality for women, pacalo Mar 2013 #188

Perhaps all those problems you saw MattBaggins Mar 2013 #190

Oh, yes!1! It certainly wasn't very *obvious*, was it, Matt? pacalo Mar 2013 #192

No the vile attacks against women who dare suggest MattBaggins Mar 2013 #193

If only they had presented themselves as having an affable "concern"... pacalo Mar 2013 #194

I didn't see that. MattBaggins Mar 2013 #195

"The usual bunch of suspects" who wouldn't stand by silently as that group pacalo Mar 2013 #196

If that's how you perceive it MattBaggins Mar 2013 #197

Thank you, Sir Matt!1! pacalo Mar 2013 #198

I don't like to vote in push polls quinnox Mar 2013 #191

I gave it the consideration it deserves. pacalo Mar 2013 #199

I'm not the type for elegantly stated theories and mission statements. Warpy Mar 2013 #201

Another pass nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #205

Any "man" who feels upset by feminist theory Zoeisright Mar 2013 #207

Which Feminism? Which Theory? Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #208

Feminist theory as used in 2013 is not "the old standby" you are operating under. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #213