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In reply to the discussion: "Liberal believers are going to be the people who ultimately bring change to their own religions." [View all]dmallind
(10,437 posts)Every progressive change has either been forced on the church from secular authority (no longer imprisoning gays or atheists) or been a very divisive and even schismatic force within religion with advocates on both sides (slavery, civil rights) AND then requiring secular authority to impose their will on the regressive sects.
Where, precisely, is the liberal reformation within the RCC and what the hell is it waiting for lo these few hundred years? About the best they can show is the pointless minutiae of Vatican II, which means that they in the last 50 years at least don't have to butcher schoolboy Latin to offer rote inanities and that (hey credit where it's due - this is progress of a kind) the official liturgy doesn't call Jews "perfidious" any more.
Where is the move toward gender equality a century after it finally gained serious traction in civil society? Reproductive choice of the most basic kind even though contraception predates the RCC itself? Fuck we're obviously light years away from the church ok'ing expanded reproductive choice and dimensions away from acknowledging the gamut of human sexuality as equally worthy, but can't these brave liberal champions of religious reform do something else other than stop badmouthing Jews every Sunday given that even if you only consider modern liberalism as opposed to classical variants, they've been around since Locke at the very least - well over 300 years.