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talkingmime

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39. I'm fundamentally an isolationist, but in the case of WW-II we royally screwed up.
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 06:56 PM
Mar 2013

The attack on Pearl Harbor probably wouldn't have occurred if we had been engaged in Europe and the Pacific fronts. Most likely we could have prevented D-Day from being necessary. We should have entered the theater in 1938-1940. I'm still an isolationist, but there are legitimate exceptions and that was one of them. We have no business being in Iraq or Afghanistan now and shouldn't have gone into either. That's not a global threat, it's a regional matter.

And as for a declaration of war, WW-II was the last one we've had. Since then we've just bombed the hell out of innocent civilians without Congressional declaration. Korea, VietNam, Granada, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and coming soon to a theater near you, Syria, are all outside the realm of Constitutional boundaries.

If we're going to put our troops in the firing line, Congress needs to declare war. It was never intended to be the whim of whatever president was in office and presidents from both parties have violated the intention. I'm a liberal, but I do not approve of what is going on now. I'm just glad we have Obama instead of rMoney.

Two of my three daughters have boyfriends in the military. I don't want to see either of them deployed for some bullshit "police action". Both are fine young men with good intentions. They're serving in the military, one Army, the other Airforce, to protect our country, not kill innocent civilians. I respect them for that and trust them with my daughters. End of rant.

Had we entered the war earlier, it might have been over in MineralMan Mar 2013 #1
The benefits of the massive bombardments is questionable. n/t Cary Mar 2013 #3
Perhaps so. I haven't studied the strategic MineralMan Mar 2013 #6
I wouldn't say I studied it closely but my understanding is that we realized limited benefits and Cary Mar 2013 #24
Both things are true. Until WWII, the capacity MineralMan Mar 2013 #30
I think history shows that bombing civilians increases their hatred and will to fight rather than pampango Mar 2013 #29
Second guessing historical characters, with the advantage of hindsight... Cary Mar 2013 #2
+1. This Thread Belongs In American History Group, Not GD. (nt) Paladin Mar 2013 #11
The movie The Final Countdown addresses exactly that. Pararescue Mar 2013 #18
I hated the ending. Peter cotton Mar 2013 #20
I thought the ending sucked also. Pararescue Mar 2013 #25
Roosevelt had to wait until the country would support the war... tokenlib Mar 2013 #4
I agree. In fact I posted that FDR had no choice given the sentiments of the time. pampango Mar 2013 #7
We should have at least used the Neutrality Act to prosecute Prescott Bush and other Wall St leveymg Mar 2013 #5
Prescott Bush was quoted as saying, "If I could just talk to Mr. Hitler..." lastlib Mar 2013 #9
That's an important quote, but it was Sen. Borah who said it, according to Rob't Parry leveymg Mar 2013 #17
Given the isolationist stance sarisataka Mar 2013 #8
All very interesting and plausible possibilities. Just goes to show how unpredictable war pampango Mar 2013 #23
I like reading what if books... sarisataka Mar 2013 #28
US traditionally didn't declare war until attacked. reformist2 Mar 2013 #10
Other: we should have prevented WWII by never having WWI Taverner Mar 2013 #12
How would you have stopped WWI from happening? pampango Mar 2013 #15
The Czarist Okhrana precipitated the assassination plot of the Austrian Archduke in Sarajevo. leveymg Mar 2013 #19
That's a toughie, but a big part would be to render Archduke Ferdinand's killing irrelevant Taverner Mar 2013 #35
Definitely *should* have entered earlier, but it was politically impossible. Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #13
From what I understand, Roosevelt was primarily concerned about LeftInTX Mar 2013 #14
It was Germany who declared war on us sarisataka Mar 2013 #22
There is no guarantee that an earlier entry to the war would have helped the allied cause. JVS Mar 2013 #16
I think you are right. It took us a long time to crank up military production and draft and train pampango Mar 2013 #26
Roosevelt wanted to, the people were adamantly opposed. n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #21
We weren't ready in 1939 or 1940 Lurks Often Mar 2013 #27
The United States was not militarily ready for war. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #31
I agree that we were not ready - even in 1941. France and Britain were not ready either but pampango Mar 2013 #36
If France & England had been smarter they would have beaten Germany in 1940. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #37
Ubiquitous "other"--as a policy matter it may have made sense, but geek tragedy Mar 2013 #32
Actually, had Hitler not declared war on us, it would have been a hard sell to fight him. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #33
I don't think it could have been much sooner...we didn't have a large army, joeybee12 Mar 2013 #34
What if we had had a strong army in 1939? Would entering the war at that point have been pampango Mar 2013 #38
Probably the right thing... joeybee12 Mar 2013 #40
I'm fundamentally an isolationist, but in the case of WW-II we royally screwed up. talkingmime Mar 2013 #39
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