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MadHound

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Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:31 PM Feb 2013

Is this what we've come to? [View all]

Tomorrow Meatcleaver Austerity is set to hit the nation, rolling back whatever minimal gains this economy has made and sending back into the tailspin of another recession. Politicians aren't working frantically to avert this catastrophe, but are instead engaged in a mutual game of CYA, going out and trying to convince the public that their side isn't to blame for this onrushing disaster.

Meanwhile, the only other alternative to Meatcleaver Austerity is Austerity Lite, a proposal rolled out by the administration that includes closing some tax loopholes, but it would still cut spending which most likely will include cuts to SS, Medicare and/or Medicaid.

Is this it? Is this all our so called leaders can come up with, the choice between Meatcleaver Austerity and Austerity Lite? If so, then it shines a bright light onto how out of touch, out of ideas, and out of their minds our leaders in Washington have become.

Any first year Econ major can tell you that applying austerity measures in the middle of an economic downturn, or even when the economy is pulling out of such a downturn, is a certain recipe for disaster. We tried that back during the Great Depression, cutting back government spending in 1937, and that plunged the nation back into a recession didn't pull up for thirteen months, and really didn't end until we started gearing up for WWII. If that illustration isn't current enough, one has but to look across the Atlantic and see what austerity has done to Greece, Spain, and a large chunk of the EU.

But despite all of those examples, despite the wealth of experience we have, not a single person in power is speaking out against any of these austerity measures. We still need a major, WPA type stimulus, one that will employ millions, improve our infrastructure and save our economy. Yet hardly anybody, from the President to the Progressive Caucus, much less any Republican, is speaking up. You might here a few lone voices calling for these sort of measures, economists like Reich and Krugman, but they are outside the corridors of power looking in. Sanders has repeatedly called for such a stimulus, but he's not even a Democrat, and thus has little power.

Instead, it seems as though everybody from the President to Congress has bought into the notion that we've got to focus on cutting the debt, NOW, and their only disagreement is where to cut, and how deep to cut, whether to kill the economy with a meatcleaver or have it die the slow death of a thousand cuts.

I know, I know, I hear all those sensible woodchucks out there screaming that another stimulus is impossible, that we've got to achieve what is doable, not aim for pie in the sky. Well, first of all, we're not going to know if something is doable until we actually try to do it. Secondly, put your faith in the American people. Almost all of us are suffering out here in some form or fashion, unemployed, underemployed, taking major hits to our income, lost our retirement, lost our house, the list of problems is long and the misery index is high. The majority of Americans want real change, the last couple of elections have proven that. Instead of calling for Austerity Lite, the President and every single Democratic Congressman needs to be out on the stump, educating the American people about real solutions to these painful problems and getting them to rally behind a stimulus. If the sleeping giant of the American populace is roused, there isn't much that can stand against it.

Instead of offering the American people the choice between less shit and more shit, offer them a real option, a way out of the shit. Educate them that yes, we'll be going deeper in a debt as a nation, but in the end, the only way to eliminate that dept is by creating a robust, vibrant economy. Tell them that we can't cut our way to prosperity, but we have to grow our way to prosperity. All that this blame game and finger pointing on the eve of disaster does is turn people off. Offer the people a real change, real hope, and they will take it. Hell, they want it, they're begging for it. Isn't it time to give the people what they want?

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Is this what we've come to? [View all] MadHound Feb 2013 OP
Austerity is a scam, woo me with science Feb 2013 #1
Exactly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2013 #27
They scuttled the ship, with all souls on board Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #2
This is what I wonder might be happening AndyA Feb 2013 #3
Yup, which is also their reason for the faux Benghazi outrage. They don't care about the 4 dead JaneyVee Feb 2013 #5
Well, first of all, that doesn't explain why the Democrats only answer currently is Austerity Lite. MadHound Feb 2013 #9
Sure. The Democrats are the lesser of two evils. AndyA Feb 2013 #13
A contrived event. jambo101 Feb 2013 #4
So, why is the only solution that Dems are offering is Austerity Lite? MadHound Feb 2013 #10
You know why. The Democratic "leadership" is bought and paid for by the same "Monied Elite" Vincardog Feb 2013 #21
That, is exactly what is going on. Some still think this country is about people, well, RKP5637 Feb 2013 #29
in order to wake up, most people need somethi g to wake up *to* BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #32
Yep, exactly what is needed. I agree, more people are paying attention to RKP5637 Feb 2013 #35
Contrived, yes...but then that's the nature of contemporary US politics, isn't it? HereSince1628 Feb 2013 #15
Just in case you haven't noticed yet... 99Forever Feb 2013 #6
Prosperity is only for the rich people at the cost to everyone else. Austerity is the future. L0oniX Feb 2013 #7
And down that road is pain, anger, riots and revolutions. MadHound Feb 2013 #12
"Any first year Econ major can tell you..." AngryAmish Feb 2013 #8
So just deny all we know about what happened in the Great Depression, MadHound Feb 2013 #11
Well, if you must know I have a BA in economics AngryAmish Feb 2013 #14
Please don't take this the wrong way, MadHound Feb 2013 #17
Oh, I certainly will take it in the spirit that you have offered AngryAmish Feb 2013 #23
Could you please tell me where since 2008 austerity has worked? I keep snappyturtle Feb 2013 #22
There is a problem comparing the US economy with other economies AngryAmish Feb 2013 #24
I appreciate your response. I just feel the depth of austerity we're already snappyturtle Feb 2013 #25
The really screwed up thing is we are supposed to hate AIG, nevermind bailing out AIG meant bailing AngryAmish Feb 2013 #28
I wouldn't have bailed out AIG either! OH, well, time will tell. I'm not looking for snappyturtle Feb 2013 #30
You pick some interesting examples to claim as austerity successes, MadHound Mar 2013 #37
Yep. Enough Americans elected republicans to represent them in Washington. sadbear Feb 2013 #16
But why are the Dems offering up a real solution instead of Austerity Lite? n/t MadHound Feb 2013 #18
Perhaps because they'd rather have something than nothing. sadbear Feb 2013 #20
Get what done? Scuttling the economy, screwing over workers, and increasing poverty? TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #31
Very well. sadbear Feb 2013 #33
That is where doing little or nothing comes into play, you hold the line you have TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #38
K&R n/t Hugin Feb 2013 #19
The core problem is TPTB make lots of $$$$$ and it is almost always extremely RKP5637 Feb 2013 #26
Since tax day is coming up... 2naSalit Feb 2013 #34
Our government has been hijacked by the rich, via the corporations. CrispyQ Feb 2013 #36
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