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Segami

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Wed Feb 20, 2013, 09:33 AM Feb 2013

Speaking of HUBRIS, This is the Reason WHY Republicans HATE Chuck Hagel [View all]

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Senator Hagel warns us with a lesson from the Vietnam War: our government lied to us then and could lie us into a war with Iran and Syria now.




Transcript:


SENATOR HAGEL: … but I would even begin with this evaluation; that we owe the military and their families a policy, a policy worthy of their sacrifices, and I don’t believe, Dr. Rice, we have that policy today.

I think what the president said last night — and I listened carefully and read through it again this morning — is all about a broadened American involvement, escalation in Iraq and the Middle East. I do not agree with that escalation, and I would further note that when you say, as you have here this morning, that we need to address and help the Iraqis and pay attention to the fact that Iraqis are being killed, Madame Secretary, Iraqis are killing Iraqis. We are in a civil war. This is sectarian violence out of control — Iraqi on Iraqi. Worse, it is inter-sectarian violence — Shi’a killing Shi’a.

To ask our young men and women to sacrifice their lives, to be put in the middle of a civil war is wrong.

It’s, first of all, in my opinion, morally wrong. It’s tactically, strategically, militarily wrong. We will not win a war of attrition in the Middle East.

And I further note that you talk about skepticism and pessimism of the American people and some in Congress. That is not some kind of a subjective analysis, that is because, Madame Secretary, we’ve been there almost four years, and there’s a reason for that skepticism and pessimism, and that is based on the facts on the ground, the reality of the dynamics.

And so I have been one, as you know, who have believed that the appropriate focus is not to escalate, but to try to find a broader incorporation of a framework. And it will have to be, certainly, regional, as many of us have been saying for a long time. That should not be new to anyone. But it has to be more than regional, it is going to have to be internally sponsored, and that’s going to include Iran and Syria.

When you were engaging Chairman Biden on this issue, on the specific question — will our troops go into Iran or Syria in pursuit, based on what the president said last night — you cannot sit here today — not because you’re dishonest or you don’t understand, but no one in our government can sit here today and tell Americans that we won’t engage the Iranians and the Syrians cross-border.

Some of us remember 1970, Madame Secretary, and that was Cambodia, and when our government lied to the American people and said we didn’t cross the border going into Cambodia. In fact we did. I happen to know something about that, as do some on this committee.

So, Madame Secretary, when you set in motion the kind of policy that the president is talking about here, it’s very, very dangerous. Matter of fact, I have to say, Madame Secretary, that I think this speech given last night by this president represents the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since Vietnam, if it’s carried out. I will resist it.




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Of course, Hagel's actual vote of Yes on the invasion of Iraq mitigates his late date qualms Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #1
Same is true for Hillary Clinton and Kerry I suppose. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #2
So, now pointing out treason, is treason? Volaris Feb 2013 #5
It's treason against the GOP in this case JoePhilly Feb 2013 #12
You say that as if I claimed otherwise. I did not mentionn others. I do not want either to be Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #6
They are the same on the topic of Iraq. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #14
They are not the same on LGBT rights, not the same on choice, not the same on anything else. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #15
Actually ... JoePhilly Feb 2013 #33
k&r... spanone Feb 2013 #3
No wonder grouchy McCain is pissed! Hagel was spot on speaking from experience and history! Dustlawyer Feb 2013 #4
My but Miss Condi libodem Feb 2013 #7
That was my thought too zeemike Feb 2013 #16
Those are some mean libodem Feb 2013 #18
Hagle voted to confirm her anyway. So what was the value of the threatrics? Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #21
Possibly because he believes that the President should have his choice of cabinet, barring TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #23
Well if that is the case his going to the press to attack President Clinton's nominee Mr Hormel Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #28
That had more to do with the Catholic/gay pride-related controversy surrounding Hormel, IIRC-- TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #29
Look at those libodem Feb 2013 #35
That's how she always looked in those hearings PatSeg Feb 2013 #24
Yes--Bush made an absolute fool of her near the end of his second term, in regard to TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #26
It often looked like she was their token "girl" PatSeg Feb 2013 #30
I don't know if this is the real reason n2doc Feb 2013 #8
This makes me want him as Sec'y of Defense. Bucky Feb 2013 #9
This video is the guy everyone wanted to see at the hearings: TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #10
here's the link to that article CitizenPatriot Feb 2013 #11
That article claims he opposed the war at the start, but he supported it and voted for it... Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #17
David Corn's take on Hagel's IWR vote-- TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #19
It says he spoke out against it CitizenPatriot Feb 2013 #20
But how does that make him 'one of the few'? He voted with the majority, he voted Yes. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #25
It's not about the confirmation of Rice CitizenPatriot Feb 2013 #34
I was in Vietnam when the Cambodian bombing started madokie Feb 2013 #13
madokie, dreampunk Feb 2013 #22
Welcome to DU madokie Feb 2013 #27
Wow - Condi (R) screws her face up into some, mean ugly looks Berlum Feb 2013 #31
As McCain wet started his A-4E dreampunk Feb 2013 #32
That is crazy wild wacked out libodem Feb 2013 #36
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