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cali

(114,904 posts) Sat Feb 16, 2013, 06:31 AM Feb 2013

Not only am I against the dp in all cases, I'm against prisons being hell holes. [View all]

I'm against super max prisons and extreme isolation. I'm against the mentality of "throw him into general population". I'm against demeaning, dehumanizing treatment of prisoners, even those who have committed the most heinous crimes. I'm against raping the rapists.

I believe that even the most depraved murderer should be treated with basic human dignity, and that's more about us than about the incarcerated murderer or rapist.

And no, I'm not calling for plush vacationland prisons. There's a wide gulf between "hell hole" and "vacationland".

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Not only am I against the dp in all cases, I'm against prisons being hell holes. [View all] cali Feb 2013 OP

Seconded on all counts. n/t Scootaloo Feb 2013 #1

I can't remember the quote... Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #2

"The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons."--Dostoyevsky Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #20

I knew it was one of the great russians.. thx 4 helping out... Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #22

Agree 100% Kath1 Feb 2013 #3

Well you are out of step then zeemike Feb 2013 #4

Which is such a damned laugh... Daemonaquila Feb 2013 #10

But you have to admire the business plan. zeemike Feb 2013 #16

It is dumb, mean, and very expensive.That last one is why it is so popular. nt bemildred Feb 2013 #5

Totally agree. n/t. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #6

One of my biggest personal transformations Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #7

It's still very much about the incarcerated, not just the society that incarcerates. freedom fighter jh Feb 2013 #8

+1 (nt) Nine Feb 2013 #9

Yes, yes, yes, and yes. Iggo Feb 2013 #11

A senisble position helveticas Feb 2013 #12

I'm not. Rapists and murderers should be damned to hell on earth. EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #13

why? what does that achieve? What does it achieve for the victim? cali Feb 2013 #17

I'm glad we're not all like you. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #21

Sorry, the dark ages ended several centuries ago. Too bad you missed it, sounds like you'd fit in. white_wolf Feb 2013 #23

Where the heck are you from? Sweden? Norway? "Basic human dignity"? pampango Feb 2013 #14

It's a business now mzteris Feb 2013 #15

They should be safe, humane accommodations where people ..... oldhippie Feb 2013 #18

I'd go with something like the Dutch system, which delivers results like this: Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #19

I despise our prison system sorefeet Feb 2013 #24

agreed La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2013 #25

I'm against prisons. Cleita Feb 2013 #26

A mental hospital for dangerous felons would be a de facto prison. period. cali Feb 2013 #29

If that's the way it's run, but if it's run like a hospital even though Cleita Feb 2013 #33

I stand with you, cali! We MUST break this circle!!!! nt patrice Feb 2013 #27

K&R MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #28

It has been my observation and experience... Comatose Sphagetti Feb 2013 #30

Completely agree... (nt) petronius Feb 2013 #31

K&R Solly Mack Feb 2013 #32

Agree to an extent (personal experience) Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #34

Since you have some on hands experience I'd like to ask something. white_wolf Feb 2013 #37

Thanks (cont) Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #43

"There are a good number of people in prison who are simply evil." Comatose Sphagetti Feb 2013 #45

One label addresses cause, the other describes both cause and effect... Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #46

In a cell for 23 hours, 3 hots, cot, medical,1 hr exercise, safe, & visitation is no hell hole. aikoaiko Feb 2013 #35

I question how safe the U.S. prison system is. white_wolf Feb 2013 #38

The supermax conditions I described are generally very safe. aikoaiko Feb 2013 #44

Awesome!!!! Thank you so much!!!! ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #36

Very eloquent statement! markpkessinger Feb 2013 #39

Good for you... Coyote_Tan Feb 2013 #40

Agree. nt PufPuf23 Feb 2013 #41

Great post! I agree 100%. Auntie Bush Feb 2013 #42

Prisons for profit is about making money not solving crime. donheld Feb 2013 #47