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Sekhmets Daughter

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21. Hey there riverbendviewgal...
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:14 PM
Feb 2013

I did read your excellent post earlier.

2009 was a grim year for wait staff here in FL. The season is when many of them make enough money to set aside a bit for the barren summer months, when so many Floridians flee the state for cooler climes.

My disagreement with the OP was not about the need to raise wages, but about the one-sided view of the issue and the criticism of those who resent the lack of reasonable tips from our neighbors to the north. There is a point of diminishing returns for everything...I would like to be sure we don't cross that point in our zeal to raise wages. I rather suspect that is why Obama called for a $9.00 minimum wage, tied to inflation. I would love to see it much higher, but right now I think that may be all the system can bear. Particularly as I can just imagine what would happen if Obama, or any other president for that matter, called for capping CEO compensation...or stock dividends.

The average is 420 times, but one that killed me was Ken Lewis, who was CEO of Bank of America when it over-extended itself and needed government assistance. He was earning 1,800 times what the average teller earned at B of A. For leading the bank into disaster.

I have a real problem with people who only see one side of every coin. Another side of the wait staff issue is that not all of their wages are reported and thus taxable. So if they're paid the minimum wage, whatever it may be, all of that will be taxable and their tips will go down, because (a) prices will go up and (b) everyone in the US will behave like Canadians.

There is quite a bit of competition in the restaurant business here. I've seen good restaurants go out of business, but that is usually due to be being under capitalized in the beginning. Like I said earlier, the summer months are pretty grim for all but a few restaurants here. Good food, good service and good ambience usually win out.

So people in the service industry [View all] nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 OP
No, they won't miss them at all.... n/t Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #1
A state that depends on tourism nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #2
I live in FL, Palm Beach County to be exact. Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #4
I am talking at the macro level nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #5
"So people in the service industry" Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #6
Actually the data shows that higher pay leads to an overall stimulative nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #7
Krugman will tell you Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #8
And he will cite other economists. nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #10
We are talking a particular Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #16
You missed this by light seconds. nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #17
! zappaman Feb 2013 #18
You are right how the credit crisis and recession of 2008 barely touched Cdn Banks riverbendviewgal Feb 2013 #20
Hey there riverbendviewgal... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #21
How about the restaurantst put out a notice on their menues riverbendviewgal Feb 2013 #22
^^^____^^^^ this nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #33
Great you started this....Here is some info for everyone to get an idea riverbendviewgal Feb 2013 #3
This. WilliamPitt Feb 2013 #9
None is arguing that people should not be tipped. nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #11
OMG you described what it was like for me to be a server riverbendviewgal Feb 2013 #35
To be honest, there's enough ire to go around--As a licensed hairstylist who ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #12
We tip well, but that was not the point nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #13
I'll repeat as well--a server can find it within themselves to be angry at current wages and at poor ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #14
And socially acceptable guides say 15% nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #15
Oprah is generally "out of line" - Her stance on tipping, GoneOffShore Feb 2013 #19
The two issues are not mututally exclusive. yewberry Feb 2013 #23
A service charge of 8 percent should be added to every meal ticket. This is what the server Cleita Feb 2013 #24
I like this idea nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #25
No. Raise the price of all meals 8% and pay the wait staff fair pay. JimDandy Feb 2013 #26
You can add the 8%, but you do it on the menu, so the consumer won't really Cleita Feb 2013 #27
If I am in the minority, all the better reason to add the 8% to the price on the menu JimDandy Feb 2013 #28
I doubt it. Cleita Feb 2013 #29
The point is JimDandy Feb 2013 #30
I find the whole tipping thing repulsive. I would much prefer to pay more for my dinner, madinmaryland Feb 2013 #31
That was the point, in part nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #32
Yes. I just have to make my point, too! Glad we agree. madinmaryland Feb 2013 #34
i agree riverbendviewgal Feb 2013 #36
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