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DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav

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Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:09 PM Feb 2013

America's Baby Bust. The nation's falling fertility rate is the root cause [View all]

If the world fertility rate is truly dropping at the rate they discuss, it'll be pretty ugly for the elderly middle class in about 50 years, but after that (100 years) when the economy's finally collapse and those referred to as the useless eaters (children of the poor and middle class) are dead, those wealthy (who can afford children) left living will live a lot more comfortable lifestyle than most of us know today. The world will be more sustainable, cleaner, greener, and that, no matter how we get there is the goal for most of us.

It sounds bad when you lay it on the line like that but in all reality population control is what's best for the world as whole in the long run. The dropping fertility rates are voluntary population control. I know I participated, choosing to adopt children and only having one of my own and discouraging my children from having children for financial reasons.

Forget the debt ceiling. Forget the fiscal cliff, the sequestration cliff and the entitlement cliff. Those are all just symptoms. What America really faces is a demographic cliff: The root cause of most of our problems is our declining fertility rate.

The fertility rate is the number of children an average woman bears over the course of her life. The replacement rate is 2.1. If the average woman has more children than that, population grows. Fewer, and it contracts. Today, America's total fertility rate is 1.93, according to the latest figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention; it hasn't been above the replacement rate in a sustained way since the early 1970s.

The nation's falling fertility rate underlies many of our most difficult problems. Once a country's fertility rate falls consistently below replacement, its age profile begins to shift. You get more old people than young people. And eventually, as the bloated cohort of old people dies off, population begins to contract. This dual problem—a population that is disproportionately old and shrinking overall—has enormous economic, political and cultural consequences.

For two generations we've been lectured about the dangers of overpopulation. But the conventional wisdom on this issue is wrong, twice. First, global population growth is slowing to a halt and will begin to shrink within 60 years. Second, as the work of economists Esther Boserups and Julian Simon demonstrated, growing populations lead to increased innovation and conservation. Think about it: Since 1970, commodity prices have continued to fall and America's environment has become much cleaner and more sustainable—even though our population has increased by more than 50%. Human ingenuity, it turns out, is the most precious resource.

Low-fertility societies don't innovate because their incentives for consumption tilt overwhelmingly toward health care. They don't invest aggressively because, with the average age skewing higher, capital shifts to preserving and extending life and then begins drawing down. They cannot sustain social-security programs because they don't have enough workers to pay for the retirees. They cannot project power because they lack the money to pay for defense and the military-age manpower to serve in their armed forces.


The rest of the article is very good, worth the read
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323375204578270053387770718.html
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"First, global population growth is slowing to a halt and will begin to shrink within 60 years. " Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2013 #1
If you read the article you'll see many like myself are choosing to participate in voluntary populat DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Feb 2013 #3
Population control happens when women are in charge of their own Cleita Feb 2013 #12
Thank God for that!!! Maybe people wilkl lear to enjou what they have and leave others' stuff alon kelliekat44 Feb 2013 #24
Absolutely, Cleita. Keeping women illiterate and enslaved ensures the baby machinery Hekate Feb 2013 #25
I've done a tremendous amount of reading on this over the last 1-2 years Victor_c3 Feb 2013 #47
That is true. Better educated people have fewer children. bluestate10 Feb 2013 #29
WTF - "useless eaters" DURHAM D Feb 2013 #2
It's absolutely disgusting. That's what many conservatives refer to them as. DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Feb 2013 #5
I have never heard it before. DURHAM D Feb 2013 #7
Here, read this. It's a very popular term. I put it in quotation because it's NOT my thoughts DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Feb 2013 #11
It is only popular among certain types. DURHAM D Feb 2013 #13
What ever. I'd rather know what's really going on out there. Living in a bubble pretending it's DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Feb 2013 #14
You don't belong here. DURHAM D Feb 2013 #22
That is what the Nazi propaganda called OldEurope Feb 2013 #18
OP casts a wider net than even the final solution. DURHAM D Feb 2013 #23
This has been alluded to in the recent past with code words Cleita Feb 2013 #34
Forget about the think tanks or the article. DURHAM D Feb 2013 #38
The poster got those words from some RW blog who found it in any number of RW Cleita Feb 2013 #40
I never listen to anything WSJ puts out liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #4
Birthrates fall *because of* improving standard of living. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #6
good point. I'll have to bring that up to my dad. liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #8
Yes. And is either mitigated by or caused by increasing live expectancy Kber Feb 2013 #37
The problem is easy enough to solve with increased immigration. Travis_0004 Feb 2013 #9
The problem is that birthrates of the USA's nearest neighbors are dropping below the bluestate10 Feb 2013 #33
Thats not really a problem for us. Travis_0004 Feb 2013 #35
"If we want to continue leading the world, we simply must figure out a way to have more babies" arcane1 Feb 2013 #10
Exactly.....n/t PasadenaTrudy Feb 2013 #27
America's environment has become much cleaner and more sustainable? PADemD Feb 2013 #15
children are way too expensive ecstatic Feb 2013 #16
you got that right liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #17
The Renaissance owed a LOT to The Black Plague SoCalDem Feb 2013 #19
Sorry, but America's environment hasn't gotten much cleaner, at least in regards to fertility, MadHound Feb 2013 #20
ok.. Who will FEED those "those wealthy (who can afford children)" annabanana Feb 2013 #21
. BootinUp Feb 2013 #26
"The comfort of the rich depend on an unlimited supply of the poor." Voltaire Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #28
The RW's obsession with the right people reproducing is racist bullshit and it doesn't belong here. LeftyMom Feb 2013 #30
"...growing populations lead to increased innovation and conservation..." randome Feb 2013 #31
Jonathan Last (writer) is a major asswipe Freddie Feb 2013 #32
This tripe is from the Wall Street Journal (aka the Murdoch Street Journal). madinmaryland Feb 2013 #36
As is the poster's hate speech. DURHAM D Feb 2013 #39
Children cost on the order of $300,000 each to raise and educate -- and they are a bad investment. FarCenter Feb 2013 #41
Ridiculous drivel from the corporate right wing. First they scream that there are shortages, high HiPointDem Feb 2013 #42
You realise the article you call "very good" is blaming you for the American decline, don't you? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #43
Your quote DonCoquixote Feb 2013 #44
how about another explanation bossy22 Feb 2013 #45
I BLAME BEYONCE! Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #46
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