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dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
31. Hell, start with me
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 07:41 PM
Jan 2013

Nobody's less productive than me these days.

Not sure where you're coming from, though. Sometimes I miss the obvious, so forgive if that's the case.

Seems to me, though, that the poor generally have small carbon footprints, it would be more efficient to start at the top.

I'm mostly concerned about 2 different paths. One is inaction, resulting in catastrophic failure. That's the likely outcome. The other is the kind of solution that some of the elites are likely to come up with, which might be where you were coming from. I worry about them releasing a devastating virus that only the elites will get the shots to prevent. I don't know how likely this is, it's a rabbit-hole too scary to look into, at least for me.

What needs to happen is for capitalism to be either destroyed (per the kill the economy web site by the guy who is featured in the OP) or reworked so it can function well while rapidly contracting. Much of human activity, especially in the so-called first world, and manufacturing processes in the less developed world, has to either end or be transformed to produce a tiny fraction of its current environmental impact.

Depopulation by lowering the birth rate would work, although it would have to be a vast change and even then the environmental benefits of that change might not arrive before a climate tipping point is crossed. Seems like a good idea to me, though, there are way too many humans on this planet. This would also end up collapsing our economic system, I think, I doubt it could gracefully scale down that rapidly.

Current systems are built on the assumption of growth, not contraction. So that's a problem that needs a lot of attention, retooling our economy to survive and provide for its citizens while rapidly scaling the system down. I'm pretty sure nobody that matters is even working towards this, unfortunately.

It's not necessary to pit one against the other frazzled Jan 2013 #1
What is wealth? How do you build it? What does it come from? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #4
We can not continue looting the natural resources to sustain human life. rhett o rick Jan 2013 #6
We don't have to create anything NoOneMan Jan 2013 #8
I agree that it is humanocentric to "think we have to create something to be here in our name when rhett o rick Jan 2013 #11
We got close NoOneMan Jan 2013 #12
We may not have as much time as some hope. rhett o rick Jan 2013 #13
Nah, we won't be going 'extinct', that's for sure....or at least not due to climate change alone. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #25
I would be interested in how humans are going to reverse climate change. rhett o rick Jan 2013 #29
Well, TBH...... AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #30
Sorry that you didn't understand my post frazzled Jan 2013 #7
The economy is the system in which wealth is created NoOneMan Jan 2013 #9
But you're not saying we should not pay attention to the economy, frazzled Jan 2013 #21
Oh really. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #14
Here's the link dreamnightwind Jan 2013 #17
We should start rounding up the unproductive people and getting rid of them el_bryanto Jan 2013 #22
Hell, start with me dreamnightwind Jan 2013 #31
A capitalist economy, by its very nature, is at odds with preserving our biosphere. ronnie624 Jan 2013 #23
+1 HiPointDem Jan 2013 #34
Yeah, but if we don't kick up more carbon to create a techno-utopia NoOneMan Jan 2013 #2
Yeah, it's a regular jobs program. That's it. Scuba Jan 2013 #3
It's a no brainer tama Jan 2013 #20
I think both are important Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #5
The problem is that our basic economic... tex-wyo-dem Jan 2013 #15
Resource consumption only goes so far Chathamization Jan 2013 #18
Poor people never get to see those vistas. They are reserved for the rich. nt Romulox Jan 2013 #10
I could pretty easily hold my breath while counting what little money I have Fumesucker Jan 2013 #16
A bad economy is like a house fire. Its significance is directly proportional to it's proximity. JVS Jan 2013 #19
Guy McPherson actually gets something right for once. n/t AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #24
Looks like Yosemite to me dreamnightwind Jan 2013 #32
Yes, Yosemite. Ansel Adams took the same famous shot years ago, Pirkle Jones printed it Brother Buzz Jan 2013 #35
I'm all for perserving the environment, as long as that does not affect my job. pampango Jan 2013 #26
NIMBY Scuba Jan 2013 #27
Try eating your money chervilant Jan 2013 #28
The economy is not about counting money. It is about procuring one's next meal. cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #33
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