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In reply to the discussion: Why are those here who eat meat so defensive? [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)94. So, your memory of commercials is supposed to replace basic chemistry then?
Good to know.
But back in reality, lead was added to gasoline so that 34 octane gas worked. And to help you with a sense of scale, unleaded gasoline is a minimum of 87 octane today. Lead was absolutely necessary as long as the car was burning 34 octane gas. Without it, the engine would be destroyed by the cheap gasoline. Not propaganda. Chemistry and physics.
Globally, people eat too much meat resulting in poisoned lakes, rivers, oceans, streams, and ponds.
The vast majority of that poisoning is from run-off from farms growing plants. Sure, a large portion of those plants are going to be fed to farm animals used to make meat, but the pollution is from the farming, not the meat.
It is immaterial where we evolved and where we are now.
Actually, it's quite important. Our systems evolved to operate most efficiently on some particular diet. Thus they will work best with that diet.
I also noticed you left out the part regarding tool markings on bones showing we ate meat long before we invented propaganda, industry and government. That's rather interesting.
It results in deforestation - our global lungs
Actually, phytoplanton in the oceans produce most of the oxygen in out atmosphere. Trees actually aren't good net oxygen producers - lots of CO2 is produced during the decay of dropped leaves and rotting timbers.
I've never advocated for anyone to totally abandon meat but rather to greatly reduce their daily meat intake.
Are you operating under the illusion that your post isn't still up there? Here, lemme quote it for you:
Like lead, meat is a health hazard and like lead, meat is an environmental hazard. The sort of folks who defend corporate meat production and the regular consumption of meat would be the same sort of people who believed the lead councils and believed it got "the knock out" of their engines, and made a perfect surface for their baby's furniture. Most the rest of the world banned lead a half decade before the U.S. did and that fact is due to bought off politicians and regulatory agencies, a industry complicit media, and industry propaganda that clouded independently produced accurate science with industry produced lies.
Now, your main thrust is that meat is somewhere around as toxic as lead. Yet now you're claiming you advocate for reduced "meat intake".
So how much lead should we be ingesting? You're now saying we should eat some meat, so clearly that means we should eat some lead.
Or perhaps the two aren't similar at all.
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no idea but why do non meat eaters feel the need to lecture or moralise. i think its a two way stre
loli phabay
Jan 2013
#1
personally i dont care if someone dosent eat meat same as its none of their business if i cut the
loli phabay
Jan 2013
#7
I would say don't worry about whether a picture would change somebody's opinion
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2013
#62
oking your finger in someone's eye isn't a sign of being defensive at all.
LanternWaste
Jan 2013
#132
I support thousands of bambis, plus antelope, elk, coyote, bear, wild turkey, feral pigs, quail,
DeschutesRiver
Jan 2013
#173
Yeah, yeah. I know. Everyone on DU either eats humanely raised meat or hunts their own.
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#40
if you thought you were going to convert duers, it probably was going to be a long shot
quinnox
Jan 2013
#42
If I graphically described and showed you pictures of what plants actually go through
jeff47
Jan 2013
#59
Knock off the dualism, either/or skirmishing. We be omnivores. Teeth and digestive tract prove it.
ancianita
Jan 2013
#10
There are plenty of environmental and health issues about the production of meat and
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#29
Totally with you on that. But we do still have four canines for tearing meat. Just sayin.'
ancianita
Jan 2013
#122
There's substantial evidence that as we learned to cook our food - including meat...
trotsky
Jan 2013
#153
Perhaps the female neanderthals found males with narrow jaws and larger skulls to be more attractive
FBaggins
Jan 2013
#158
I think most people get defensive when they get a sense that they are singled out.
bluestate10
Jan 2013
#12
Because anytime anyone posts anything in defense of animals OR the benefits of a vegetable
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#27
Ah no. An OP advancing a vegetable based diet is the offense. Bloody meat is the defense.
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#93
What you eat, if what you eat is controlled by the corporate food industry, does indeed
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#115
Certainly. And telling people they shouldn't use lead paint was largely ineffectual for decades
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#121
Food activists, like the most activist movement, start out with the vast majority on the other side.
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#145
*Sigh* lead was an additive and not necessary. Most of the western world abandoned lead
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#90
I grasp the chemistry. I also grasp why the rest of the western world abandoned lead
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#101
It should have been banned long before then. It's toxicity from the getgo
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#179
IMO, the best way to advance vegetarianism: Open a good veget. Restaurant...
Eleanors38
Jan 2013
#155
There are quite a few great vegetarian restaurants in San Francisco and most others
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#163
I am a vegetarian, and I see more vegetarians in the face of non-vegetarians then the reverse
still_one
Jan 2013
#34
Your post #64 sounds like the rationalization many anti-gay bigots express
Moses2SandyKoufax
Jan 2013
#77
I don't know about other Democrats, but this one is not ashamed of eating meat.
sadbear
Jan 2013
#86
I don't know, but I have noticed that most meat eaters are really defensive about it.
ZombieHorde
Jan 2013
#92
because of we weren't so vigilantly defensive, we'd be overrun by the meat.
Joe Shlabotnik
Jan 2013
#107
I don't know. I've been a vegetarian since I was a kid and never hassled a meat eater. I wish I
Raine
Jan 2013
#119
I don't care what anyone eats as long as they're not trying to cook me as long pig.
hobbit709
Jan 2013
#129
I love meat. Chicken mostly, but I'm also fond of Pork, Beef, and Artichokes. nt
el_bryanto
Jan 2013
#138