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Lesmoderesstupides

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66. BS! One either believes in individual freedom or one does not

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:45 PM

Jan 2013

If one does not believe that a living human being has the right to determine what they can and cannot do with their body then that person does not even believe in freedom. There is and there cannot be a middle ground.
Ones position on abortion tells me everything I will ever need to know about that person too. If you are anti-choice, you are dead to me, period.

That was what RvW was really all about, Freedom of the individual. Women are just the convenient punching bag.

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I can't believe these anti-choice extreme views are on DU... [View all] cynatnite Jan 2013 OP

Doesn't the man also have a choice to not impregnate a woman? Frankly, I'd sinkingfeeling Jan 2013 #1

For the record, the poster he's referring to and who's well-known liberalhistorian Jan 2013 #10

Well, then, I suggest she be very careful when making her choices and she leave the rest sinkingfeeling Jan 2013 #14

I could post and say I'm a man leftynyc Jan 2013 #16

True enough, but I've had the misfortunate liberalhistorian Jan 2013 #18

Personally, I have found leftynyc Jan 2013 #39

She is a woman obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #31

I will take your word for it leftynyc Jan 2013 #43

Yikes. . . . If she's so anti-choice, BigDemVoter Jan 2013 #59

+1 Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Jan 2013 #90

posters view is punishing woman for having sex. that is all. IF it is murder, then woman must have seabeyond Jan 2013 #2

Yep. That attitude drives me nuts. Butterbean Jan 2013 #46

And IMHO, anyone caught posting extreme anti-choice B.S., EVEN ONCE..... AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #75

Spam deleted by uppityperson (MIR Team) LeftyDemLibProgress Jan 2013 #3

WTF does this have liberalhistorian Jan 2013 #8

It's just a pizza recipient with a hate on for Pitt JHB Jan 2013 #19

Those who hold that position have a right to their own moral views. Just like you do. ERGO . . . patrice Jan 2013 #4

This is it in a nutshell. The government is there to protect us from zealots of all kinds. freshwest Jan 2013 #28

I can understand how some people are having a little trouble imagining it, but there are patrice Jan 2013 #34

Best response I've seen, and most reasonable! Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #108

I agree with your consternation over this post, liberalhistorian Jan 2013 #5

how does anything that cannot live on its own RedstDem Jan 2013 #6

Well, I would say that people with disabilities who use ventilators thucythucy Jan 2013 #63

So you'd force a woman to have a baby? tblue Jan 2013 #7

The OP was not expressing these views liberalhistorian Jan 2013 #11

Interesting. blue neen Jan 2013 #9

Fortunately that sick outlook is the (teeny tiny) minority here leftstreet Jan 2013 #12

Geez... Spazito Jan 2013 #13

That's why birth control was invented lunatica Jan 2013 #15

the ego of some people is stunning CitizenPatriot Jan 2013 #17

Wow. abelenkpe Jan 2013 #20

DU is not as pro-choice as we would like to think liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #21

It can be said that CHOICE is also about the opposite of one's own position, so . . . . patrice Jan 2013 #22

The poster in question is anti-abortion and anti-choice. n/t tammywammy Jan 2013 #25

I am AGAINST anti-Choice. There should be no higher authority than the woman's own. patrice Jan 2013 #35

there is a difference in having the freedom to have a different opinion and the freedom to exercise liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #27

I agree strongly, except that my reasons are not based solely on the Democratic party & I imagine patrice Jan 2013 #37

Wow ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #23

That particular individual has long espoused a virulently anti-choice, anti-abortion position. yewberry Jan 2013 #24

So someone disagrees with one of the Democratic Platfom planks JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #26

It is a big deal when these differing opinions lead to legislation liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #29

That poster also calls abortion murder obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #30

+1 redqueen Jan 2013 #36

Exactly obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #41

+1 Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #49

She should've been tombstoned for calling women murderers RainDog Jan 2013 #50

i agree obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #54

I don't know why, either REP Jan 2013 #72

+1! uponit7771 Jan 2013 #76

These are not my views, either. hamsterjill Jan 2013 #32

Ah yes, ellie Jan 2013 #33

These are my views: redqueen Jan 2013 #38

+1 Solly Mack Jan 2013 #42

truly nt uriel1972 Jan 2013 #51

Mine too. forestpath Jan 2013 #53

Exactly. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #87

Those are my beliefs. Lady Freedom Returns Jan 2013 #104

Thank you for reminding me of someone who I needed to put on full ignore kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #40

Usually women who are this anti-choice become octoberlib Jan 2013 #44

Total misogyny between the lines Taverner Jan 2013 #45

You see that view here on a variety of subjects. Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #47

I can't believe it either RainDog Jan 2013 #48

Just ALWAYS remember - DU is full of trolls. n/t patricia92243 Jan 2013 #52

there seems to be a lot more of them than there used to be Skittles Jan 2013 #56

My Aunt, a married, middle aged woman, HockeyMom Jan 2013 #55

Like it or not, this is not a black and white issue. Vattel Jan 2013 #57

Actually, to me it is pretty black and white... Spazito Jan 2013 #60

Why is it when you say "innocent life" and "individual whose life is at stake" do I get the feeling retread Jan 2013 #61

This obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #80

Yes it is. Nobody has the right to compel their use of your body. They can't make you give blood, LeftyMom Jan 2013 #64

But if you are responsible for someone's needing to use your body to survive, Vattel Jan 2013 #70

Nope, nobody gets to compel the use of your body. LeftyMom Jan 2013 #73

If someone deliberately injured me Vattel Jan 2013 #86

That's exactly right. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2013 #89

The state has no interest in preventing her from unjustly killing you? That is crazy. Vattel Jan 2013 #91

For my own point of reference I have a question for you. At what point in the gestation cycle do you retread Jan 2013 #93

I didn't use that expression. Vattel Jan 2013 #96

You used the term "innocent life" and referred to an "individual". Were you speaking of the retread Jan 2013 #97

yes I used those expressions, but not "innocent human life" Vattel Jan 2013 #99

lol Sheldon Cooper Jan 2013 #94

lol Vattel Jan 2013 #95

You have no right to use another person's blood, let alone their entire body, under any circumstance REP Jan 2013 #98

I disagree. I would have a moral right to use your kidney to survive Vattel Jan 2013 #100

You have no legal right, and no so-called moral right REP Jan 2013 #102

So you reject the right to self-defense? Vattel Jan 2013 #112

Abortion is self-defense REP Jan 2013 #114

Absolutely NOT! cynatnite Jan 2013 #106

"I'm not being an aggressor." In my example you are. Vattel Jan 2013 #111

No amount of logic will justify it no matter how you try to swing it. n/t cynatnite Jan 2013 #113

Nope, completely wrong obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #81

BS! One either believes in individual freedom or one does not Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #66

No, it is. jeff47 Jan 2013 #69

It is black and white obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #79

a woman who is pregnant has rights. a mass of duplicating cells does not RainDog Jan 2013 #84

It's plenty black and white gollygee Jan 2013 #85

Fail. My body my choice. Full fucking stop. n/t MadrasT Jan 2013 #101

I do not know the poster . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #58

This, times a million. theglammistress Jan 2013 #78

They are greatly outnumbered . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #92

I certainly can believe them, but I have been paying close attention for some time. nt left coaster Jan 2013 #62

Clearly, that poster thinks his/her notions trump a Supreme Court decision. WRONG. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #65

Why not? We're told to accept other right wing views and to shut up about it. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #67

They're not the views of any liberal, progressive, or even reasoning person. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #68

I knew who that was without looking - she calls women who've had abortions "murderers" REP Jan 2013 #71

I knew who it was, too obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #82

Sadly, there are a fair number of nutty viewpoints I've seen, that really should be discouraged. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #74

To DU Trolls, "The Scarlet Letter" was a piece of fiction, no_hypocrisy Jan 2013 #77

Unfortunately, I am no longer surprised etherealtruth Jan 2013 #83

This is a huge gripe I have with DU. Choice is specifically part of the Democratic platform. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #88

That argument is missing a key point on rights. nobody_special Jan 2013 #103

Yeah, I might have just made my first hidden post. Warpy Jan 2013 #105

If you do not support choice, get out DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #107

You da boss? Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #109

not I DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #110