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Beearewhyain

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17. Heller did cross my mind

Reply to cthulu2016 (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 02:40 AM

Jan 2013

but that decision in and of itself deflates the attitude that the second is some immutable concept handed down by some divine influence. And it was another 5 to 4 soooo....

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On the BOR, 2nd Amendment and Incorporation [View all] Beearewhyain Jan 2013 OP

Knowing the very vital roles the State Militias served in securing the liberty jmg257 Jan 2013 #1

I am unclear on most of your post Beearewhyain Jan 2013 #3

"A well regulated militia" is the necessity... jmg257 Jan 2013 #11

Just curious... 2naSalit Jan 2013 #27

Yes.. The National Guard is a well regulated militia. jmg257 Jan 2013 #33

Not really. former9thward Jan 2013 #64

Didn't every one of the 13 states adopt a constitution of their own, pipoman Jan 2013 #2

It was considered a restriction Beearewhyain Jan 2013 #4

With that in mind pipoman Jan 2013 #8

Certainly not Beearewhyain Jan 2013 #13

And that is where you loose me.. pipoman Jan 2013 #19

So how was the federal govt going to secure our liberties jmg257 Jan 2013 #16

If I understand how this argument goes Beearewhyain Jan 2013 #18

Not sure what you are asking, but... jmg257 Jan 2013 #20

A link for context would be beneficial Beearewhyain Jan 2013 #28

This is from Militia Acts of 1792... jmg257 Jan 2013 #31

No, 3 individual state constitutions did not have a statement about a right to keep and bear arms. Glassunion Jan 2013 #5

Thanks.. pipoman Jan 2013 #10

Good elaborating info...I'm going to use it with my next 'founding fathers' arguers...thanks. ancianita Jan 2013 #14

Thanks Beearewhyain Jan 2013 #21

Sweet! What do I get for all 50 states? Glassunion Jan 2013 #22

You get a herd of puppies Beearewhyain Jan 2013 #23

Fair enough... Here you go with a bonus... Glassunion Jan 2013 #24

You have obviously done some homework Beearewhyain Jan 2013 #29

I've heard of it, however I have not done any research into it. Glassunion Jan 2013 #30

Well then Beearewhyain Jan 2013 #32

Not all I think, but some. nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #15

I've been reading over the debates & minutes... Historic NY Jan 2013 #6

Interesting Beearewhyain Jan 2013 #9

As of McDonald v. Chicago (2010) the 2nd Amd. is now incorporated cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #7

Well said.. pipoman Jan 2013 #12

Heller did cross my mind Beearewhyain Jan 2013 #17

This 5 to 4 along with most others will stand a very long time.. pipoman Jan 2013 #25

Maybe Beearewhyain Jan 2013 #26

Justice Bryer's dissent in Heller, signed by all four of those that voted against the majorty virginia mountainman Jan 2013 #34

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #35

They will not pipoman Jan 2013 #38

Sooo... Because it was 5-4 it shouldnt count? xoom Jan 2013 #80

McDonald, not Heller. sl8 Jan 2013 #61

My bad. cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #65

Wm Rawle, misunderstood by scalia jimmy the one Jan 2013 #36

You posted nothing in conflict with what I said. jmg257 Jan 2013 #46

At this point my head hurts. ancianita Jan 2013 #79

.. what states really thought of ccw jimmy the one Jan 2013 #37

I haven't seen anyone proclaim pipoman Jan 2013 #40

You're wrong, pipoman jimmy the one Jan 2013 #44

I have decided to quit participating in conversations pipoman Jan 2013 #45

translation - ya got me jimmy the one Jan 2013 #48

Uh, no pipoman Jan 2013 #51

being pro gun means never having to say you're sorry, or wrong jimmy the one Jan 2013 #76

I explained, very simply, what you need(ed) to do to get a response.. pipoman Jan 2013 #77

Other then the obvious role of the SCOTUS, I really don't care too much what Scalia says. jmg257 Jan 2013 #59

no militia individual RKBA dichotomy in 1791 jimmy the one Jan 2013 #39

The Miller argument is disingenuous pipoman Jan 2013 #41

Thanks pipoman jimmy the one Jan 2013 #43

When did I ever state I am in agreement with any of those mentioned? pipoman Jan 2013 #47

Think about what things would be like if Miller was carrying a BAR instead of a SOSG... jmg257 Jan 2013 #53

what IS the constitutional militia these days, jmg? jimmy the one Jan 2013 #42

Why post mutterings on the English Declaration of Rights? jmg257 Jan 2013 #49

rev war & colonial militias were inefficient jimmy the one Jan 2013 #52

Yes. jmg257 Jan 2013 #55

The Other Half 4Q2u2 Jan 2013 #56

Can you explain your last points? jmg257 Jan 2013 #60

I worded 4Q2u2 Jan 2013 #62

The MA 1792 is brought up to show intent.... jmg257 Jan 2013 #63

So should we then use 4Q2u2 Jan 2013 #67

You can use whatever you want for whatever you want...that's your choice. jmg257 Jan 2013 #69

It's hard to get past this basic factual error: "the Bill of Rights was not extended to individuals Romulox Jan 2013 #50

incorporation a giant leap of faith jimmy the one Jan 2013 #54

Many of Court 4Q2u2 Jan 2013 #57

Those are two different arguments. We can't just gloss over the error in the premise to get Romulox Jan 2013 #58

Which side you on, jmg? I be confused now. jimmy the one Jan 2013 #66

Whew - this will take some time...question for you 1st while I type... jmg257 Jan 2013 #70

OK - let's get at this... jmg257 Jan 2013 #71

I'm on my side...probaly why its confusing :). No time left to get into it now, but jmg257 Jan 2013 #72

just mighty Grand, jmg jimmy the one Jan 2013 #74

Cheers! off now to a dinner out! nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #75

Part of the confusion is possibly a desire to put people on 1 side or the other. jmg257 Jan 2013 #73

Wm Rawle's Treatise on the 2ndA, 1825 jimmy the one Jan 2013 #68

english RKBA an individual right to belong to militia jimmy the one Jan 2013 #78