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dkf

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Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:13 PM Jan 2013

We've just added $3.6 trillion in debt. [View all]

Tim Kane: “The fiscal cliff metaphor is overrated, but the long-term fiscal crisis is not. The cost of the ATRA bill, according to the CBO, is an additional $3.6 trillion in debt over ten years. The nation sits atop a mountain of unstable debt dynamite, and every year more is added to the mountain. A trillion dollars per year, funding principally by artificially low interest rates due to monetizing by the Fed.”
“Maybe Obama thinks the Fed is his ultimate ace card. But when the crisis comes, when the bond market hesitates to buy new T bills with vigor, the President and the nation will be caught empty-handed.”

Bill McBride is more optimistic: “We still don’t know the details of the sequester, but I expect the deficit to be close to 5.5% of GDP this year. Still high, but improving. Unfortunately there are some longer term issues, especially with health care, but in the short term the deficit is moving in the right direction – and will decline further as the economy improves.”

http://wonkwire.com/2013/01/03/we-still-have-a-long-term-debt-problem/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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Just throwing this out there Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #1
Does it do us any good to pretend that debt isn't a long term issue? No. el_bryanto Jan 2013 #2
Misleading frazzled Jan 2013 #3
The baseline assumed the bush cuts would lapse. dkf Jan 2013 #10
But not a single person believed they would permanently lapse frazzled Jan 2013 #14
And the nation elected to increase projected debts by $3.6 trillion dkf Jan 2013 #26
So are you saying the crisis was mythical since it was a non-possibility? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #32
Not so easy an answer frazzled Jan 2013 #34
the debt problem started under Reagan, was solved under Clinton, and really skyrocketed under Bush samsingh Jan 2013 #4
Bingo Liberalynn Jan 2013 #5
I used to think so til we kept the vast majority of the Bush cuts. dkf Jan 2013 #6
only for those earning less than $400k. samsingh Jan 2013 #11
Not really...at least not in the scheme of things. dkf Jan 2013 #27
That's utter bullshit Dreamer Tatum Jan 2013 #8
are we reading the same chart? the diagram shows exactly what i said samsingh Jan 2013 #9
If it was "solved" under Clinton, there'd be no debt. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2013 #13
Simple minded and wrong headed conclusion. phleshdef Jan 2013 #17
thank you. and the poster has the audicity to start calling me names without understanding the math samsingh Jan 2013 #20
He/she also has no clue how to properly interpret the data in their own posted graph. phleshdef Jan 2013 #22
thanks for the thoughtful response samsingh Jan 2013 #24
That wasn't what was said, thanks. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2013 #28
Why do you misrepresent the poster? Viking12 Jan 2013 #35
Sorry, but it's not true Tempest Jan 2013 #37
The poster never claimed that and the value of the debt in 2000 is IRRELEVANT. phleshdef Jan 2013 #40
N seriously, we were projected to have a surplus & zero debt by 2010. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #51
i think you're obtuse for starting to name call. if you can't have a conversation, don't comment samsingh Jan 2013 #19
don't you see the steepness of the curve? samsingh Jan 2013 #12
You are being terribly misleading and you are far from sticking to anything resembling a fact. phleshdef Jan 2013 #15
We had a 5-year recession? Dreamer Tatum Jan 2013 #16
Every credible economist would back up everything I've said. You are just ignorant on this topic. phleshdef Jan 2013 #18
great and thoughtful response samsingh Jan 2013 #21
Why do you continue to be wrong and arrogant? Tempest Jan 2013 #38
There is no need to reduce debt to zero taught_me_patience Jan 2013 #41
Good cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #7
If I get it correctly, that means 3.6 Trillions more in circulation... Amonester Jan 2013 #23
Thats why middle class tax cuts are stimulative, while tax cuts for wealthy folks aren't. phleshdef Jan 2013 #25
So it should be good for the economy. Amonester Jan 2013 #29
It probably will not do too much either way NoOneMan Jan 2013 #31
Its not mythical when you are talking about tax cuts for middle and lower incomes. phleshdef Jan 2013 #39
Its never zero-sum NoOneMan Jan 2013 #42
Your hoarding equals others investing. dkf Jan 2013 #45
Once again I am so not shocked that you would make this kind of rightwing pedantic argument. nt stevenleser Jan 2013 #46
I owe my job to the fact that someone invested capital. dkf Jan 2013 #47
Do you understand the meaning of the word 'pedantic'? You are still doing it. nt stevenleser Jan 2013 #50
Sorry, I don't believe in free market fairies trickling down job creating fairy dust. phleshdef Jan 2013 #48
I'm curious what kind of job you have... dkf Jan 2013 #49
Republicans hate debt but love spending. nt bemildred Jan 2013 #30
They only use the debt to scare their shrinking base into electing them locally. Amonester Jan 2013 #33
Correct. nt bemildred Jan 2013 #36
Okay. Rex Jan 2013 #43
Not concerned. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #44
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