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In reply to the discussion: Antidepressants to treat grief? Psychiatry panelists with ties to drug industry say yes [View all]HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)261. i've offered plenty of substantial input. more than you, actually. you've offered a lot of
name-calling & mind-reading mostly.
not only that, you pretend to represent all people with mental problems (you don't, & your stance doesn't) and you have set yourself up as a witch-hunter & censor.
i have called you no names. nor have i made any remarks about your personal experiences except to say they're not universal.
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Antidepressants to treat grief? Psychiatry panelists with ties to drug industry say yes [View all]
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
OP
I don't see why we can't treat subclinical resp. infections and emotional discomfort
HereSince1628
Dec 2012
#8
Because prescription drugs kill more people than diabetes, than illegal drugs, than influenza &
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#12
and doctors don't prescribe heroin for head colds. in fact, they don't generally prescribe
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#23
Jack Daniels is a common self-medication for grief...it's got problems too.
HereSince1628
Dec 2012
#26
your condescending attitude is duly noted. alcohol = non-prescription, & cheap. and more
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#36
A lot of depression/anxiety medications are cheap and effective long term. I know. I take one.
phleshdef
Dec 2012
#39
show me where 'brain chemistry imbalance' has ever been demonstrated in the scientific literature.
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#102
but the pain is back worse the next day with alcohol, and it can easily become a crutch.
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#88
no -- they give *your* system a 'kickstart', apparently. but *you* are not the population.
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#89
nice bullshit attempt at shaming *me*. if you don't know how SSRIs work and prefer hangovers
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#96
Drawing attention to the fact that you are not the only human being in the world, your experience
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#98
you seem to be really thick about the fact I was talking about my Mom and 6 other people
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#112
as i said before, your experiences are not the *only* experiences. nor are the experiences
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#145
to go around and tell people who've been helped by meds that they are wrong because of
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#185
I didn't say anything like that. Go back and look at the post I was responding to and my response.
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#187
how do you know 'it' hasn't happened to him? Other people are not *you*. Most people who
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#91
1) It doesn't take a 'qualified medical professional' to assert that bereavement is not a
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#192
First, I didn't say I wasn't a 'qualified professional.' That's just what you read *into* what I
HiPointDem
Jan 2013
#258
how do you know 'it' hasn't already 'happened' to me? answer: you don't. you don't know
HiPointDem
Jan 2013
#270
I don't quite understand what you're saying -- you seem to support the pill-pushing, except for -
downandoutnow
Dec 2012
#10
In addition to being a post about anti-depressants it's also a post that reflects
HereSince1628
Dec 2012
#15
grief is a mental dysfunction? that's the level of absolute craziness this crap is getting to.
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#17
Only because you are in a low information state regarding definitions of pathology
HereSince1628
Dec 2012
#22
maybe it's you who's dense. physicians have always been free to prescribe for 'grief' that goes
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#31
if they're the type to become alcoholic because of grief, they're also the type to have a similar
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#75
what the hell do you know about what i have or haven't experienced? as i said before, docs
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#76
Yes actually. The changes occur in the neurotransmitter functions in the brain.
BeHereNow
Dec 2012
#90
Everything you do changes 'neurotransmitter function in the brain.' Everything. The very fact
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#146
It's everyone's choice to choose to be a social bully, to criticize others for taking cold remedies
HereSince1628
Dec 2012
#24
Thank you for bringing us yet ANOTHER example of the rampant pill-pushing going on these days.
downandoutnow
Dec 2012
#13
and chemical processes are emotional in nature. and ssri's are no more effective, in aggregate,
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#81
you're completely wrong about ssris and placebos. i hope no one believes this shit.
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#115
oh, "completely" wrong? how's that? Most people diagnosed with depression & put on SSRIs
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#123
And physicians have always had that option. The new decision is not about 'serious clinical
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#133
lol. you only think so because you are out of my depth. you have no idea what i'm talking about.
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#166
And you have no argument, thus the name-calling. Please, link me to a post about 'scientology
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#173
You can't be serious. This would be ignorance of such a breathtaking proportion it must be a joke.
idwiyo
Dec 2012
#214
how long is it okay to be depressed? Ten years, twenty of forty? I've seen it happen.
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#120
wtf does religion have to do with this op? and for that matter, it's bullshit that non-christians
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#18
talking about 'other cultures' in aggregate as if they were all the same is bullshit; and 'other
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#83
Well some people can't handle certain medications, whether it be for blood pressure, diabetes...
phleshdef
Dec 2012
#167
Man when I was in college, 19 years old, I had some pretty crazy sex hookups.
phleshdef
Dec 2012
#206
then why does it come with a black-box warning? NO SSRI is 'inoffensive'. they ALL have similar
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#85
And so does blood pressure medication, diabetes medication, heart medication, etc.
phleshdef
Dec 2012
#162
Yes, there's a reason they're supposed to be prescribed by a doctor. But not all prescription meds
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#170
The first link is not to an actual study, but a popularized summary of a study done in 2000. The
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#186
of course it's less valid when it doesn't report the study results & implications accurately.
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#208
you really don't know anything about the subject, as you've demonstrated quite thoroughly.
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#210
A popularized explanation from a 'medical professional,' a psych prof at Brown U, just for you. 2/12
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#212
CBS: So how well do scientists & psychiatrists understand the causes of depression?
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#221
+1. when you love someone you never 'get over' their death, you just learn to live with the fact
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#33
yeah, everyone experiences the same level of harmless but perpetual grief that you did!
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#118
Oh not bullshit. You are ignorant. You might as well be against all medicine.
phleshdef
Dec 2012
#42
name-calling duly noted. to clarify, i was saying 'bullshit' to your 'some people are ignorant,
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#95
I have never said a word about people's personal experiences except that their experiences are
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#141
You seem to be running around telling everyone that their experiences don't matter
Confusious
Dec 2012
#144
actually, i started off posting a pretty straightforward article about changes in psychiatric
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#147
nope, 'unhappiness' is not clinical depression, even if it goes on for years. but such fogginess
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#151
there are many reasons for unhappiness, even long-lived unhappiness, and not all of them are
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#156
Calling you ignorant means that I'm saying that you don't know what you are talking about.
phleshdef
Dec 2012
#158
no, what you mean is that you don't *believe* i know what i'm talking about. and the reason you
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#163
and you are constantly going to the ad hominem argument. I am not tom cruise, nor a scientologist.
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#171
my argument is that bereavement is not clinical depression and doesn't require medication.
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#178
everything he says can be said of ANY medication, including many OTCs. and is bullshit
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#119
Was this article written by scientologists by any chance? Sure sounds like it to me.
idwiyo
Dec 2012
#40
yet, Mother Tersa and the Scientologists could have written half these posts.
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#125
...significant financial implications for the $10 billion U.S. antidepressant market...
MADem
Dec 2012
#51
"Better left to nature" has been replaced due to the profit margin & so goes "first, do no harm".
mother earth
Dec 2012
#56
is grief now 'bipolar disorder' as well as 'depression' now? gee, science is wonderful.
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#100
I don't? Is that so? Perhaps I know a great deal about it, but disagree with your analysis and
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#116
What is obvious is that you are trying to discourage others from looking for professional help.
idwiyo
Dec 2012
#190
To whom have I offered medical advice? On whom have I "forced" medical advice? Please link me.
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#193
the OP, & the new ruling, is not about 'depression'. It's about NORMAL BEREAVEMENT.
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#130
Is grief disease? Today we skip diagnosis, feeling is disease. Are you kidding? nt
mother earth
Jan 2013
#266
I was so thankful when my doctor put me on some short term after the death of my fiancé.
CraftyGal
Dec 2012
#57
i am sorry that happened to you and glad you let yourself find love and live. n/t
babydollhead
Dec 2012
#58
while america has been fighting pot wars, big pharma has been incessantly drugging us...
spanone
Dec 2012
#63
the only people who look dumb are the drug-pushers. worse than dumb, actually.
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#86
The OP is about prescribing antidepressants to people who just lost a loved one. Not about
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#108
the new ruling is not about those 'other contexts'. it is about your mother, father, spouse, child
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#111
Everything you do changes neurotransmitter 'chemistry'. Moving your hand changes neurotransmitter
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#126
You don't know anything about me. But I know you think you can read minds. Over the internet,
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#148
as i said, i don't offer my personal experience up to score points in pissing matches. but you're
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#154
a person using racial epitaphs (sic) is not automatically a racist, either. and you are no
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#157
I understand that bereavement is not clinical depression, and it's not mental illness.
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#181
I was depressed once, Why don't you just snap out of it, Go find something to do,
idwiyo
Dec 2012
#213
Doctors have always had it as an option. The old standard was if person didn't return to normal
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#137
doctors have always had the option to prescribe when bereavement turned into pathology:
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#139
On the contrary, doctors generally have you taper down after you've been taking them
TexasBushwhacker
Dec 2012
#121
Did you know wellbutrin is given for smoking cessation? Under the name Zyban. And it's in the
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#104
I got through it without medication this year. Just some counseling for nightmares and sleep issues.
slackmaster
Dec 2012
#203
OMG! I FEEL something. Quick, give me a pill so I won't have to be human. nt
Speck Tater
Dec 2012
#205
one thing people can perhaps agree on is that capitalists try to expand their markets & use
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#234
Drug companies don't try to create cures. They try to create customers. nt
Speck Tater
Dec 2012
#235
+1,000,000! Where do people taking their drugs think Pharma's profits come from?
Catherina
Dec 2012
#244
There are neurotransmitter changes with loss/grief? My my. Isn't that amazing.
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#225
No, not really. You have revealed yourself as the LEAST educated on this matter.
BeHereNow
Dec 2012
#228
and yours is amusing to anyone who understands the basics about what neurotransmitters are,
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#229
i've offered plenty of substantial input. more than you, actually. you've offered a lot of
HiPointDem
Jan 2013
#261
+1. Exactly right, the profit motive and the pharmacorps are dictating the direction of medicine
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#243
The west & the US used to give similar space & significance to mourning; for example, the practice
HiPointDem
Jan 2013
#259
Indeed. Both my parents are dead and I remember only having a couple days to 'deal' with it.
Matariki
Jan 2013
#268