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In reply to the discussion: I do not worship the ground our military walks on [View all]hobbit709
(41,694 posts)12. The founding fathers pledged "their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor"
what have you pledged outside of being online?
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military people have a huge sense of entitlement. have many chats with military types and
msongs
Dec 2012
#2
LOL, yes, because only you do. And no veteran has EVER said what he said they did. n-t
Logical
Dec 2012
#200
When was the last time anyone risked life and limb to serve their country?
Puregonzo1188
Dec 2012
#239
OK, I wrote a whole thing in reply, but it seems everybody got juried out of the thread,
Egalitarian Thug
Dec 2012
#290
I spent a long, full career in the military, and your bigoted statements do not reflect my views
MADem
Dec 2012
#133
msongs, given that they make shit for going off to die in oil wars and come back
roguevalley
Dec 2012
#207
With the difference being that military people perform a valuble service for their "entitlement".
PavePusher
Dec 2012
#387
You have yet to name a single valuable service. You have described an ill-conceived jobs program
Egalitarian Thug
Dec 2012
#397
No, of course you won't. That would be beneath a brave, self sacrificing hero like you, wouldn't it?
Egalitarian Thug
Dec 2012
#408
OK you don't like the military but don't use special cases to disparage all who serve unless you've
jody
Dec 2012
#3
J*** you are truly full of shit. Freedom of speech dates to the heroic founding fathers and all the
byeya
Dec 2012
#8
The founding fathers pledged "their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor"
hobbit709
Dec 2012
#12
"what Freedoms"? If you need an answer then you either haven't graduate from elementary school or
jody
Dec 2012
#56
If you have a problem with any war, blame civilians appointed over the military, and voters who
jody
Dec 2012
#83
Have you ever lived in a country that was being militarily occupied or carpet bombed by a larger
Puregonzo1188
Dec 2012
#325
Well I'm still waiting on an Answer. I am certainly not the brightess ,maybe you could enlighten me
bahrbearian
Dec 2012
#86
Oh I get it, you fought to protect the freedom of insulting peoples Intelligence.
bahrbearian
Dec 2012
#100
I'm not a historian but my experience is many K-12 schools are failing in teaching math. The number
jody
Dec 2012
#137
The Bill of Rights would have been tough to write if British troops were all up in their face...
OneMoreDemocrat
Dec 2012
#18
I was an ACLU member for decades stopping only when it opposed SCOTUS on the Second Amendment.
jody
Dec 2012
#24
I was a child in WWII and my experience is different from what you recall from second hand tales
jody
Dec 2012
#25
You stated you were a "fellow veteran". Regale us with tales of battlefield heroics and nominations
jody
Dec 2012
#49
Agree as I stated elsewhere. Don't understand #23 unless you had an unfortunate military service? nt
jody
Dec 2012
#80
Those young, naive grunts whether volunteer or draftee, who obeyed Johnson and Nixon elected
jody
Dec 2012
#98
You have the right to those feelings and they (in theory) fight for his right to have his.
PeaceNikki
Dec 2012
#247
1966 Cam Ranh Bay was still mostly sand and runways were PSP. Memories oh those memories
jody
Dec 2012
#355
LOL apparently you didn't take an American History course in K-12 or learn anything if you did. nt
jody
Dec 2012
#39
Jody's post below (#53) I think belongs to you. I thought you deserved the opportunity to respond.
ChisolmTrailDem
Dec 2012
#58
Thats too funny,, but I guess someone with all that fancy K-12 book learning
bahrbearian
Dec 2012
#67
Scampered away with his tail between his legs too, defeated and pwned. Doesn't exhibit
ChisolmTrailDem
Dec 2012
#73
Plainly it seems that a War Hero doesn't have to answer questions from those he perceives
bahrbearian
Dec 2012
#93
So, now you're calling me "it"? And you still have not answered my question. And...
ChisolmTrailDem
Dec 2012
#57
Because that's all you CAN say. You attacked me for no reason. Why? Are you not man
ChisolmTrailDem
Dec 2012
#61
I think those that enlist are the biggest part of the problem. STOP WARS DON'T ENLIST!
xtraxritical
Dec 2012
#126
Right, blame 18-21 year old kids instead of the people who vote warlike leaders into office.
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#370
Why? You make a condemnation of another person's opinion with nothing to back it up.
Egalitarian Thug
Dec 2012
#395
Thanks for revealing your true character for all to see. You have your supporters but they are a
jody
Dec 2012
#174
Have you ever read the Democratic Party Platform? Nine pages that include "President Obama and the
jody
Dec 2012
#196
Understand but you have a problem with presidents and congress appointed over our military.
jody
Dec 2012
#330
But there's a whole cabal of military contractors and Pentagon officials who justify their existence
Lydia Leftcoast
Dec 2012
#331
Several posts in this thread did blame "the individual soldiers". I object to that and that has been
jody
Dec 2012
#334
You know I didn't propose "going along". I repeat "Blame the Commander in Chief and O-10s." nt
jody
Dec 2012
#353
So no one can complain about the military unless they have been in the military? really?
Logical
Dec 2012
#201
What difference does that make? I have never been a cop either. Can I complain about them?? n-t
Logical
Dec 2012
#202
Great post Taverner. The cult of the veteran is abominable unless that vet was a draftee.
byeya
Dec 2012
#6
None of the wars after Korea (and maybe not even that) were fought to "secure our rights"
Lydia Leftcoast
Dec 2012
#15
Dont't forget the Indian, Spanish American or Philipines wars. Arian conquest plain and simple. nt
jmg257
Dec 2012
#30
Our troops have never lost a war but civilians appointed over them have used them incompetently. nt
jody
Dec 2012
#16
Please study military history. Presidents select generals who will execute his will often to become
jody
Dec 2012
#48
"What makes you think I haven't?" Because you lump all troops together in your condemnation.
jody
Dec 2012
#128
"military have no responsibility whatsoever in losing wars?" lumps all from E-1 to O-10 together.
jody
Dec 2012
#203
You know I didn't say that. I said presidents and O-10s who did their bidding used our troops
jody
Dec 2012
#259
You referred to the Constitutional cornerstone of civilian leadership of the military as civilians
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2012
#312
Good point PA(1776) constitution said "XIII. That the people have a right to bear arms for the
jody
Dec 2012
#332
Really, you mean Saddam Hussein and Mullah Omar won and are in control there?
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#374
Using that logic, we were kicked out of Germany and Japan too. Thats ridiculous.
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#385
True, but that does not make them soldiers, nor subject to UCMJ, does it?
bluesbassman
Dec 2012
#142
LOL, once again, so no one can complain about anything unless they have done the SAME thing?
Logical
Dec 2012
#204
I think people should have a healthy dose of respect and skepticism of the military.
hrmjustin
Dec 2012
#55
You mean people voted for the side that didn't have people actively shitting on them?
PavePusher
Dec 2012
#391
Ah I see...might makes right. That's what American Exceptionalism is all about.
Taverner
Dec 2012
#192
Actually, I'm obeying the orders of my President, at the consent of Congress.
PavePusher
Dec 2012
#393
Just curious, but have you ever served in the military? You do understand that....
OldDem2012
Dec 2012
#130
Some may think that by joining the military you are willingly dancing with the devil.
L0oniX
Dec 2012
#135
Not saying it is - but pretty much any investigator told us that was the tip of the iceberg
Taverner
Dec 2012
#181
No-one in the military is taught to "kill indiscriminately". Another slur from you. Feck off. n/
PavePusher
Dec 2012
#396
Amazingly homophobic language, sexist as well. The US military has many women and men who
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2012
#313
Proud USAF vet here who supports you. These ridiculous OP's we get every few weeks are just that.
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#372
Considering how much you worship your ego, opinions, and indulgences, there is time for little else.
Throd
Dec 2012
#172
I would only support the troops if they were fighting a war based on self-defense, or
quinnox
Dec 2012
#197
Agree I'm confident JohnnyLib2 & I march to the same drummer re "don't know the answer" but we hope.
jody
Dec 2012
#366
I didn't lose a fiancé, but I'm also part of the generation where 50,000 Americans died
Lydia Leftcoast
Dec 2012
#321
On average, US veterans commit 18 suicides per day. Successful suicides. Per DAY!
NYC_SKP
Dec 2012
#212
I do not begrudge the veterans good treatment, but as a nation, we have to get over the following
Lydia Leftcoast
Dec 2012
#270
But you're using that brush on everyone. And that doesn't work. So knock it off. n/t
PavePusher
Dec 2012
#405
I care for them as PEOPLE. As such, I want fewer vets. Fewer atrocities of war. Fewer suicides.
PeaceNikki
Dec 2012
#217
I want to pile on a system that takes mostly naive young people, puts them
Lydia Leftcoast
Dec 2012
#275
If you're serious, then attack presidents and the O-10s they select and Congress that funds the
jody
Dec 2012
#364
Agree. Unless you've marched in their boots, don't condemn the "military" that includes E-1 to O-10.
jody
Dec 2012
#365
"officials who use them for unjust purposes" and IMO the worst offenders are Dubya Bush and Obama.
jody
Dec 2012
#278
I support the troops so much I want to bring them home right now. And care for them as needed.
Dems to Win
Dec 2012
#287
As a Vet I can say OK that is your right this is what freedom is about
Resonance_Chamber
Dec 2012
#294
I think Rise Against's "Hero of War" is a much better response to this thread.
white_wolf
Dec 2012
#351
Wow, you post a perfectly reasonable but controversial opinion on a "democratic" board...
Jokerman
Dec 2012
#308
+1 DU = We don't discuss what we object to. We just insult like school bullies.
L0oniX
Dec 2012
#339
So, if you disagree with part or all of the OP's post, you're part of the "floodgates of hate"?.....
OldDem2012
Dec 2012
#354
I dont find attacks on 18-21 year old kids who dont know any better generally compelling.
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#368
The military budget should be cut by 75% and arms aid or sales to other countries should be illegal.
PufPuf23
Dec 2012
#348
I don't think that having served gives me any greater right to comment but.....
underpants
Dec 2012
#369