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Samantha

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29. Could you take a look at this, JDPriestly -- regarding the Post Office
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 11:41 PM
Dec 2012

Like many others, I had previously thought the USPO was on the verge of default as a result of its overpayment into its pension and health funds, legislated by George W. Bush* in 2006. The PO has one of the largest, if not the largest, unionized work forces. Since the passage of that legislation, some have said it was a method by which to break the union, and I thought that was true as well.

However, I started thinking where is that lump sum which they have accumulated? Could it possibly have been required to do so because the funds would be stored in a place where it too, like the Social Security Trust Fund and the Federal Government Employees' Pension Funds, could be accessed by Uncle Sam. So I took a look this evening, and I believe those funds might be in what I describe in the original thread as the Number 6th largest debt holder,

"6. "Pension Funds

U.S. debt holdings: $903.4 billion

Pension funds control large amounts of money, reserved for personal retirements, and thus are obligated to make investments that are considered to be safe. This group includes both private and local government pension funds, totaling $903.4 billion. The private pension fund category also includes US Treasury securities held by the Federal Employees Retirement System Thrift Savings Plan "G Fund." (emphasis added)."

Of course, part of the prepayment was for health insurance costs, but I did not see any slide which described in its definition as holding the Post Office's contribution for that particular reason. But the interesting thing is that Bush* passed this legislation in 2006, requiring the PO to pre-fund 80 percent of its retiree benefits. In 2006, Bush* had the unfunded Bush* tax cuts and two wars ongoing so perhaps a significant reason that politicians are willing to let the USPO default has something to do with borrowing from those funds and being unable to pay them back as well.... What do you think?

Sam

WE the PEOPLE! elleng Dec 2012 #1
You are exactly right -- but all we hear is the debt owed by China and other foreign countries Samantha Dec 2012 #6
You're welcome, Sam. elleng Dec 2012 #9
And that tactic relies on a misunderstanding. PETRUS Dec 2012 #21
Thank you for your post Samantha Dec 2012 #28
I was pretty sure that was the answer MiniMe Dec 2012 #2
I just like to make sure everyone knows that Samantha Dec 2012 #7
US citizens hold around 80% of US debt. Social Security is a big holder. nt bluestate10 Dec 2012 #3
Did you add them all up or did you already have this figure? Samantha Dec 2012 #8
US Debt to the penny & who holds it: HiPointDem Dec 2012 #16
Lets face it, we're never going to retire. We will work until we are broken. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #4
It appears that is the plan Samantha Dec 2012 #10
US (us)....borrowed from the SS trust fund. Historic NY Dec 2012 #5
Yes, and the huge babyboomer retirement has started en masse Samantha Dec 2012 #11
And understand that the real "fiscal cliff" BlueStreak Dec 2012 #12
All you say is very true Samantha Dec 2012 #13
Great point. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #19
And one more thing ... BlueStreak Dec 2012 #20
Actually, why worry...they will never ask to collect it. your credit card debt is fine as long as kelliekat44 Dec 2012 #14
I don't know how to categorize debt owned by the Federal reserve when we all know they printed $ dkf Dec 2012 #15
Yes. Basically, for years and years, JDPriestly Dec 2012 #17
I agree with everything you say Samantha Dec 2012 #18
Social Security is not an investment plan FarCenter Dec 2012 #23
No, it is not an investment plan Samantha Dec 2012 #24
Well, that's for the $16 trillion of Treasury debt. There is another $24 trillion government agency FarCenter Dec 2012 #22
I found the budget outlays on page 18 interesting too. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #25
This is a great post Samantha Dec 2012 #27
Could you take a look at this, JDPriestly -- regarding the Post Office Samantha Dec 2012 #29
So you mean ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #26
I bet you are surprised, about as much as I Samantha Dec 2012 #30
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