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BlueStreak

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20. And one more thing ...
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 11:10 AM
Dec 2012

Fact 1: Social Security is the biggest holder of US debt and Medicare is one of the biggest.

Fact 2: For a decade, the Fed has been holding interest rates artificially low.

The Fed says they have the rates low to stimulate the economy, but that is mostly bullshit. People don't grow businesses because interest rates are low. They build businesses when they see customer demand.

So what is really going on here? The Fed policy is designed to a) benefit the banks that can get money now basically for free , and b) to benefit the Federal government that has a $14 T debt to serve. If we had to pay a real market interest rate, that would add another $600 Bn a year to our deficit. Nothing tricky there. Simple facts and simple arithmetic.

Now, what does this say about Social Security? It says we have been cheating the Social Security fund out of something like $100-$200 billion a year in interest for at least the last decade. You think another trillion or two in the social security fund would make a difference? You bet it would.

THIS is what seniors are now being forced to pay for. (And with good luck we all become seniors eventually so this massive scam screws us all -- some sooner than others.)

WE the PEOPLE! elleng Dec 2012 #1
You are exactly right -- but all we hear is the debt owed by China and other foreign countries Samantha Dec 2012 #6
You're welcome, Sam. elleng Dec 2012 #9
And that tactic relies on a misunderstanding. PETRUS Dec 2012 #21
Thank you for your post Samantha Dec 2012 #28
I was pretty sure that was the answer MiniMe Dec 2012 #2
I just like to make sure everyone knows that Samantha Dec 2012 #7
US citizens hold around 80% of US debt. Social Security is a big holder. nt bluestate10 Dec 2012 #3
Did you add them all up or did you already have this figure? Samantha Dec 2012 #8
US Debt to the penny & who holds it: HiPointDem Dec 2012 #16
Lets face it, we're never going to retire. We will work until we are broken. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #4
It appears that is the plan Samantha Dec 2012 #10
US (us)....borrowed from the SS trust fund. Historic NY Dec 2012 #5
Yes, and the huge babyboomer retirement has started en masse Samantha Dec 2012 #11
And understand that the real "fiscal cliff" BlueStreak Dec 2012 #12
All you say is very true Samantha Dec 2012 #13
Great point. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #19
And one more thing ... BlueStreak Dec 2012 #20
Actually, why worry...they will never ask to collect it. your credit card debt is fine as long as kelliekat44 Dec 2012 #14
I don't know how to categorize debt owned by the Federal reserve when we all know they printed $ dkf Dec 2012 #15
Yes. Basically, for years and years, JDPriestly Dec 2012 #17
I agree with everything you say Samantha Dec 2012 #18
Social Security is not an investment plan FarCenter Dec 2012 #23
No, it is not an investment plan Samantha Dec 2012 #24
Well, that's for the $16 trillion of Treasury debt. There is another $24 trillion government agency FarCenter Dec 2012 #22
I found the budget outlays on page 18 interesting too. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #25
This is a great post Samantha Dec 2012 #27
Could you take a look at this, JDPriestly -- regarding the Post Office Samantha Dec 2012 #29
So you mean ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #26
I bet you are surprised, about as much as I Samantha Dec 2012 #30
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