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BlueCaliDem

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20. It was 2010. 2014 hasn't happened yet.

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:17 AM

Dec 2012

And speaking of the shellacking . . . how is that working out for disgruntled "the base" with Republicans stopping everything the last two years of the president's first term? Like it?

And there are more closeted Naderites here than you're willing to admit. But the OP was using Nader of 2000 as an example of the defeatist attitude of some on the Left. The "base" are not Lefty-Liberals. The base are people who are Democrats and who actually care about the direction of this country, not their own petty ideologies and purist's vision for it.

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Defeat from the jaws of victory? The SS cuts (chained cpi) will mean a Democratic bloodbath in 14. [View all] silvershadow Dec 2012 OP

a betrayal is highly believable but better wait til signatures appear after votes are taken nt msongs Dec 2012 #1

why, when talking it up might change something? better than sitting like quiet little mouses HiPointDem Dec 2012 #2

Exactly why I posted. I *WANT the p.t..b. to take notice now. We have had just about enough of silvershadow Dec 2012 #4

+1 Eric the Reddish Dec 2012 #35

The politicians have stolen this money.. lib2DaBone Dec 2012 #33

For just themselves? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #40

The AP "sources" are all republican hacks thelordofhell Dec 2012 #3

You mean the bullshit also published in the NYT, WSJ, WAPO, LA Times, Chicago Tribune, NPR, etc? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #5

They all cite AP as the source........... thelordofhell Dec 2012 #6

uh, no, they don't. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #7

What other sources are they citing besides each other and the original AP source? nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #25

why don't you go read them? the first one i saw was by paul krugman, & he didn't hear about it HiPointDem Dec 2012 #28

What is Krugman's track record as to when he has been right or ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #46

I've read them all. S-squared, D-squared. Next! nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #49

apparently none too carefully, then. nowhere does krugman mention AP. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #54

Well, then! I guess the case is settled.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #64

is pelosi part of the plot too? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #65

Are you that paranoid? nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #74

me? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #75

Because these people loathe President Obama BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #19

WE DO NOT LOATHE THIS PRESIDENT!! And, we do not always have to agree with the man either!! DearHeart Dec 2012 #68

When the moment some lefty blog announces attacks on this president BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #70

Don't assume that I don't understand what the President is doing! I'm not stupid and I have been DearHeart Dec 2012 #72

Pelosi and Carney have referred to it. "Less generous COLA" "Strengthens Social Security" djean111 Dec 2012 #76

Thank you all for playing the game thelordofhell Dec 2012 #83

Only if you choose to whine and make sure you can continue to whine graham4anything Dec 2012 #8

I'm not "whining"...I am very forcefully stating to the party that this thing is a ridiculous silvershadow Dec 2012 #9

they get richer because folks like you continue to make excuses every time democrats sell out HiPointDem Dec 2012 #10

I cannot believe you actually posted this. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #12

I can totally believe it, given his posting history. bullwinkle428 Dec 2012 #37

Your post is exactly the kind of post Ken Burch Dec 2012 #13

You mean 2010. AnnieK401 Dec 2012 #18

We have to make sure our party is always CLEARLY different than the 'Pugs. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #23

It was 2010. 2014 hasn't happened yet. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #20

I corrected the date. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #22

Right. People on the Left were so concerned about BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #39

The BlueDogs were the principal victims in 2010. Progressive Dems did just fine in 2010. Why did the coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #45

BlueDogs or not, as was pointed out to me many times when I was complaining, we LOST power BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #47

Progressive Dems tried to primary some of the vulnerable Blue Dogs, only to be told by coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #48

I understand that reasoning, but the fact remains, we LOST power and BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #50

I have seen no analysis backed up by data that suggests that Democrats lost coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #52

Watch for claims by the Party that they will fix the damage after plethoro Dec 2012 #11

The Democratic Party is truly stupid. UCmeNdc Dec 2012 #14

We have been to this rodeo before quaker bill Dec 2012 #15

Hold on Dems., maybe Thom Hartmann is right AnnieK401 Dec 2012 #16

And the so-called "base" of the Democratic Party blames Obama and the Dems rather BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #21

Yup. I am sick of the anti-Obama posts. graham4anything Dec 2012 #24

It takes two to compromise. The Center-Right Dems are doing their part. leveymg Dec 2012 #26

So am I, graham4anything. I don't mind constructive BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #41

The Rethugs aren't supposed to be helping us.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #31

Good thing we aren't. eom BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author DearHeart Dec 2012 #66

um -- if obama holds firm on SS, why would voters abandon him or the party? it's only if he HiPointDem Dec 2012 #30

This is the act of governing - compromise. I know it's not a popular meme for the ultras on BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #43

so you're saying he *is* going to compromise on SS? or he's not? which is it? you seem HiPointDem Dec 2012 #55

I'm saying BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #57

+1 stklurker Dec 2012 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author AnnieK401 Dec 2012 #17

And then they impeach his ass. kentuck Dec 2012 #27

what? who is 'they'? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #29

Oh yeah, if this goes through the Dems will be blamed big time for cutting SS Liberal In Texas Dec 2012 #32

It's not going to get through. Boehner can't pass it in the House BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #44

What about the Republicans? treestar Dec 2012 #59

The "safe" Democrats will vote for it, as will the retiring Democrats (think Durbin). AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #34

Damn! Where is Third Way Manny when you need him???? Bake Dec 2012 #38

Work 45 years voting Dem the whole while, and then get f**ked by your own party, work campaigns even Coyotl Dec 2012 #36

You are spot on. The Democrats need to put a nail in the coffin of these DINO's. silvershadow Dec 2012 #53

I'm sick to death of these DINOs!! Any time we, the "base" or "wishy-washy Lefties" DearHeart Dec 2012 #67

Isn't it sad when a standard, middle-of-the road Democrat such as I, with the same values silvershadow Dec 2012 #69

It is sad! It seems as though lately, you are expected to go along with the crowd, who are moving DearHeart Dec 2012 #73

From the Whitehouse.gov site: Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #51

Cuz we aint privy to the secret meetings grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #63

I just called and wrote to my delegation and the WH. I am tempted to start calling others outside silvershadow Dec 2012 #56

And they will deserve it. Time for a Progressive 3rd Party if SS cuts happen. williesgirl Dec 2012 #58

The Labor Party n/t Coyotl Dec 2012 #71

Then there would be even more cuts treestar Dec 2012 #60

Yup, it's called divide and conquer grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #62

Yup! You have to wonder, whose side is he on? grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #61

yep. The gop will run ads saying who voted to cut Social Security. limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #77

Although it sucks I don't think the Dems will be blamed budkin Dec 2012 #78

Precisely! n/t 99Forever Dec 2012 #79

K&R!!! tilsammans Dec 2012 #81

Looks like the chained cpi killed Boehner's Plan B deal. House in recess until after Christmas. silvershadow Dec 2012 #82

I read it as any tax increases at all killed Boehner's deal. djean111 Dec 2012 #84

It was NOT the Chained CPI that killed the deal. That was meant to be the sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #85