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WillyT

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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:04 AM Dec 2012

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Obama Hits Social Security In Fiscal Cliff Offer Friendlier To The Wealthy
Ryan Grim - HuffPo
Posted: 12/18/2012 12:49 am EST | Updated: 12/18/2012 8:19 am EST

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WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama, with his latest fiscal cliff offer, proposes extending the Bush tax cuts for everyone earning less than $400,000 a year, and paying for it by increasing taxes on the middle class and cutting Social Security and Medicare.

Obama's offer would allow the payroll tax holiday to expire, meaning middle class workers will see smaller paychecks in 2013. Economists have warned that the recovery is too fragile to risk a broad tax hike on workers. It would also gradually reduce Social Security, pension and Medicare benefits seniors are due to receive, taking a small bite up front, but building up to much larger cuts over time.

Obama's concession to Republicans is opposed by a majority of Americans, according to a HuffPost/YouGov poll. Fifty-two percent of survey respondents said the payroll tax cut should be extended to avoid raising taxes on the middle class, while 22 percent said that it should be allowed to expire to help pay down the debt. Extending the payroll tax cut received bipartisan support: 64 percent of Democrats and 57 percent of Republicans in the survey said they supported the extension.

MoveOn.org, the largest online progressive organization in Washington, reacted angrily Monday night to reports that Obama was softening. The group's quick reaction to a possible deal that has yet to be announced publicly shows there will be fierce opposition to cuts that hit Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid beneficiaries.

One top GOP aide predicted a deal, within the next day, that House Republicans would have no choice but to accept. A second said that many details still needed to be filled in, and that the president was dug in at $1.2 trillion in revenue, more than Republicans wanted.

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Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/18/obama-social-security-fiscal-cliff_n_2319850.html








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Obama has always governed from the corporate right. ananda Dec 2012 #1
If you have a problem with preemptive capitulation then why did you vote Democratic? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #2
I'm close to giving up on politics completely RomneyLies Dec 2012 #3
I am begining to feel the same way Liberalynn Dec 2012 #47
Can anyone genuinely say that COLGATE4 Dec 2012 #4
If this is true, no, unfortunately, I'm not surprised deutsey Dec 2012 #6
"One top GOP aide predicted a deal" gkhouston Dec 2012 #5
Harry Reid and the Whitehouse. You can quit trying to pretend that this isn't real now. n/t Dawgs Dec 2012 #8
Neither of whom were quoted here. If they've made a statement in the past few hours, gkhouston Dec 2012 #42
I am sure he is still consulting with historians duffyduff Dec 2012 #7
Somewhere Romney is laughing his obscenely rich ass off. forestpath Dec 2012 #9
I hope there is more room in another stall nearby. Jamastiene Dec 2012 #10
Well, if they are going to let the payroll tax cut expire which largely benefits WI_DEM Dec 2012 #11
You and me both, WillyT nashville_brook Dec 2012 #12
i'm DONE with politics, and i will NEVER cast another vote in ANY election in this country. Mel Content Dec 2012 #13
Am I reading this right! Baitball Blogger Dec 2012 #14
People actually want the payroll tax holiday to continue? ieoeja Dec 2012 #15
Some want whatever they aren't getting michigandem58 Dec 2012 #17
Exactly.. It was stupid then..and still stupid SoCalDem Dec 2012 #22
It's our responsbility to fight back. Contact your representatives. yardwork Dec 2012 #16
already done Liberalynn Dec 2012 #48
What? We will end up with 90% of the Bush tax cuts? hfojvt Dec 2012 #18
WTF? BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2012 #19
now they don't even have to name the source; just feed off of the other weak reports bigtree Dec 2012 #20
yep. Whisp Dec 2012 #23
Yeap, look at the responses....pre campaign FUDr IMHO uponit7771 Dec 2012 #34
I didn't vote for President Obama in November, I voted against hate & bigotry. CrispyQ Dec 2012 #21
Is this confirmed now or not? former-republican Dec 2012 #24
link bigtree Dec 2012 #28
http:\\www.IGonnaMakeSomethingUp.com uponit7771 Dec 2012 #35
Maybe... Check Out This Link: WillyT Dec 2012 #55
Make no mistake about it "Chained CPI" is nothing but continuous cuts to social security. Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #25
we've been Romneyed...... bowens43 Dec 2012 #26
screwed janlyn Dec 2012 #27
And the Democrats will be wondering why they avebury Dec 2012 #29
'One top GOP aide' that's what this is all based on.... spanone Dec 2012 #30
A top GOP aide? When it's confirmed I'll freak out but now, all I can do is hope and pray. raouldukelives Dec 2012 #31
Please stop hoping and start studying BlueStreak Dec 2012 #38
I know what chained CPI is. Like I said, any tinkering aside from increasing benefits. I'm done. nt raouldukelives Dec 2012 #44
What good does it do to freak out after the deal is already done? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #45
Ok heaven05 Dec 2012 #32
When you see it on paper, it's too late, now is the time to make our voices heard, Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #36
I'm heaven05 Dec 2012 #39
I've heard Mark Shields say this many times Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #41
***MORE WARN OUT BULLSH!T**** Obama has 4 arms, ...cause I read it in an article uponit7771 Dec 2012 #33
I notice the Obama-the Zenmaster-is-actually-kicking-Boehner's-butt crowd is MIA now BlueStreak Dec 2012 #37
I heaven05 Dec 2012 #40
or we don't feel like arguing with trolls on a message board when they are having their fun dionysus Dec 2012 #51
Well, while you are waiting for everything to be fait accomplis BlueStreak Dec 2012 #53
"Rumors"... Interesting Take... WillyT Dec 2012 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author rsmith6621 Dec 2012 #43
Kick !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #46
Kick !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #49
Unacceptable. 99Forever Dec 2012 #50
You could call them the Whiners. Why not give Ralph Nader a call, and start a new chat board graham4anything Dec 2012 #52
Bye bye. 99Forever Dec 2012 #56
It's official: We live in the Matrix. Initech Dec 2012 #54
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