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In reply to the discussion: "In not a single case was the killing stopped by a civilian using a gun." [View all]jsmirman
(4,507 posts)100. You're just wrong, and it's because you're trying to be lawyerly and you're doing it wrong
"in not a single case" - they set up the "case" limits of their study - or more accurately, it appears that they use the case limits the FBI uses in its classifications. So by their limits - I mean by the FBI's, not a single one. Not incorrect.
My questions involve showing real, sufficient evidence of a pattern of armed citizens being actually beneficial in these OR similar situations.
And so far all we've got is a weak example, maybe two, if we're being generous.
I'd read the thread.
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"In not a single case was the killing stopped by a civilian using a gun." [View all]
kpete
Dec 2012
OP
They don't see the movie Red Dawn as a work of fiction, but more like a training film.
Waltons_Mtn
Dec 2012
#7
Considering that 8 MILLION people have concealed weapon permits in the US, sounds like an epic fail.
reformist2
Dec 2012
#5
Care to point me in the direction of this list of 62 so I can provide you with an accurate count?
Indydem
Dec 2012
#19
Yep, you got that right. And just how do armed, trained, on the job cops get killed?
freshwest
Dec 2012
#42
Who's B & W? Guns always save, or guns don't always save? Did you read my post?
freshwest
Dec 2012
#88
You don't know the difference between fact and opinion. That is a fact. nt
DesMoinesDem
Dec 2012
#43
BULLSHIT! Cops do not train constantly. Many only train when they have to qualify, perhaps twice
TPaine7
Dec 2012
#140
Provided she was not doing her job and sitting by the safe... And the Giffords shooter
freshwest
Dec 2012
#48
Gun violence has gone done as the number of states allowing CC has gone up.
DesMoinesDem
Dec 2012
#122
The Fort Hood shooting was on a military base. It was stopped by military police.nt
CJCRANE
Dec 2012
#24
In the Pearl High School case, it appears that the killer simply decided to leave.
JDPriestly
Dec 2012
#56
And... not the point. The point being that he was in a position to be more easily subdued.
jsmirman
Dec 2012
#65
I'm sorry but Dianne Sawyer cannot prove a falsehood. "Ordinary trained gun owners have stopped
TPaine7
Dec 2012
#139
The other crazy thing is that your one anecdotal story is incomplete - "Subdued" - how???
jsmirman
Dec 2012
#37
One is a security guard, so doesn't seem to apply - not some random armed citizen
jsmirman
Dec 2012
#34
Oh dear, I knew that was coming. NO ONE CARES. Apparently it doesn't fit their statistical rule
jsmirman
Dec 2012
#59
You're just wrong, and it's because you're trying to be lawyerly and you're doing it wrong
jsmirman
Dec 2012
#100
The Mother Jones article is being dishonest, you can have a debate while still using facts at hand-
snooper2
Dec 2012
#57
If you read the Mother Jones article, you learn that it adopts the FBI definition of a mass shooting
JDPriestly
Dec 2012
#67
I don't have a bone on either side of this debate...It would help if folks just looked at all the
snooper2
Dec 2012
#78
A combination of stories like that which show a PATTERN of utility to civilian gun ownership
jsmirman
Dec 2012
#109
You shouldn't believe anything you read online without doing your own verification
snooper2
Dec 2012
#123
I recall reading that there was a man with a gun (and CC permit) at the Tucson scene.
IggleDoer
Dec 2012
#51
I saw this last night regarding our very own local shooting last week.
Still Blue in PDX
Dec 2012
#111
NOT TRUE AT ALL - "In not a single case was the killing stopped by a civilian using a gun."
Jumping John
Dec 2012
#129