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In reply to the discussion: Is online piracy a really serious problem? My opinion: nope. [View all]Mosaic
(1,451 posts)163. RFS 9: Kill Hollywood
Hollywood appears to have peaked. If it were an ordinary industry (film cameras, say, or typewriters), it could look forward to a couple decades of peaceful decline. But this is not an ordinary industry. The people who run it are so mean and so politically connected that they could do a lot of damage to civil liberties and the world economy on the way down. It would therefore be a good thing if competitors hastened their demise.
That's one reason we want to fund startups that will compete with movies and TV, but not the main reason. The main reason we want to fund such startups is not to protect the world from more SOPAs, but because SOPA brought it to our attention that Hollywood is dying. They must be dying if they're resorting to such tactics. If movies and TV were growing rapidly, that growth would take up all their attention. When a striker is fouled in the penalty area, he doesn't stop as long as he still has control of the ball; it's only when he's beaten that he turns to appeal to the ref. SOPA shows Hollywood is beaten. And yet the audiences to be captured from movies and TV are still huge. There is a lot of potential energy to be liberated there.
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You have a twisted (and fundamentally flawed) view of the motivation behind artistic creation.
Edweird
Jan 2012
#188
You do know without intellectual property we'd still be a pre-industrial civilisation, right?
Donald Ian Rankin
Jan 2012
#89
Bull. Intellectual property has been an inherent clog to technological development.
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#164
The plaintiff doesn't get to fantasize unchallenged what that "compensation" should have been.
JackRiddler
Jan 2012
#22
+1 Some bands will put a 'free' sampler on their web page. And a link to buy more!
wandy
Jan 2012
#88
Don't forget, Bieber himself got popular for doing uncompensated covers of others' songs.
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#31
You should go into law instead, and learn the difference between copyright and trademark.
JackRiddler
Jan 2012
#101
Yep, every kid playing basketball on an inner city blacktop is gonna grow up to be Michael Jordan...
hunter
Jan 2012
#133
Interesting that you can't come up with an example from the last 20 years.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#13
Yes exactly: Anything that ISN'T producing revenue privately is costing something to someone.
JackRiddler
Jan 2012
#45
I'm a creative person and I am strongly supportive of intellectual property rights
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#141
Yeah, I would have been disappointed in you if you hadn't come up with that. Occurred to me, too.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#140
The way to see Avatar is in an IMAX 3D setting, IMHO. So the piracy issue is moot, there.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#144
No, music directors have and are known to send to the publisher for a "review copy" of the score
Occulus
Jan 2012
#84
Then something has changed. Back when I was a young fool, rather than old fool, I was somewhat of a
wandy
Jan 2012
#114
In one thread, you maintain that copyright infringement is not theft and that providing services is?
Donald Ian Rankin
Jan 2012
#124
Ahh, you think that in a modern world with digital distribution middlemen are necessary?
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#173
These companies used sitewide licenses for a reason, made the software very easy to copy...
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#55
I'm quite familiar with it, and it shows that the bottom line is not harmed by student discounts.
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#154
This is called 'Quack'. The software you learned how to use first will likley be you're favorite.
wandy
Jan 2012
#93
The movie industry has done a bang up job of fighting piracy by refusing to make movies good enough
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#10
I think what's going to be amazing is when books start beind readapted into movies...
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#14
You might have a remote point if I didn't already say I would willingly give my shit away for free.
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#157
Ahhh. The argument of "give me yours cause I would give you mine (if I had some)"
joeglow3
Jan 2012
#161
Tell ya what, I'll let you know when I do, and you can apologize profusely for making it personal...
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#167
Ahh but back in the day their were tape deks that used 1/2 inch tape and moved 30 ips.
wandy
Jan 2012
#94
I er... ah..... fold? Haveing never met one of thes things up close and personal, as in
wandy
Jan 2012
#128
Now, go to Top Downloads and note the most downloaded software (see: all piracy releated in top 5):
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#160
FYI - musicians have always made their money through touring and merchandising.
Edweird
Jan 2012
#44
Except for a minority during a limited period who made it by selling recordings.
JackRiddler
Jan 2012
#47
If you are signed to a major label the odds of you ever seeing a dime from unit sales
Edweird
Jan 2012
#185
But nobody argued that the original owners were being deprived of their rightful property, either.
baldguy
Jan 2012
#75
it's a reality. not a matter of opinion. it's a little problem if they're not stealing your stuff.
spanone
Jan 2012
#59
Music sharing doesn't hurt the artists. I realize that doesn't fit your 'wagging finger' narrative
Edweird
Jan 2012
#189
More people justify stealing so they can have free shit, than you think, though...
Hippo_Tron
Jan 2012
#191
Piracy? You mean like the corporations who overcharge for services and products...
fascisthunter
Jan 2012
#76
I'm dumbfounded by the people who will actually BUY bootleg video of a movie shot with a cellphone.
alphafemale
Jan 2012
#119
Many people don't like to think of themselves as thieves, but many of them are theives.
ZombieHorde
Jan 2012
#138
They used to, see Kazaa, Napster. It's just that there are free speech implications to...
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#183
If I could make diamonds at home in my kitchen, De Beers would be shitting bricks...
hunter
Jan 2012
#196