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In reply to the discussion: Just Saw "Zero Dark Thirty" -- You Probably Won't Like It. [View all]Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)21. ZDT may do what Karl Rove could not have done with all the money in the world
by Adam Sewer
http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-media/2012/12/zero-dark-thirty-osama-bin-laden-torture
Defenders of Bush-era enhanced interrogation waged a fierce public relations campaign to rehabilitate torture in the aftermath of the bin Laden killing, in part to award Bush credit for the raid. But the facts kept getting in the way. Jose Rodriguez, the former CIA official responsible for the destruction of videos recording the (ineffectual) torture of detainee Abu Zubayda, went on 60 Minutes and was unable to rebut the fact that alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed lied when questioned about bin Laden's courier, despite being tortured. The CIA inspector general found that "you could not in good conscience reach a definitive conclusion about whether any specific technique was especially effective, or [whether] the enhanced techniques in the aggregate really worked." Republicans are currently attempting to block a Senate intelligence committee investigation of the efficacy of so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques."
Someone attempting to make a "journalistic" feature film on the hunt for Osama bin Laden could be expected to be aware of all this. When Filkins asked Boal about the portrayal of torture departing from the known facts, he replied, "It's a movie, not a documentary." Bigelow and Boal want their film to be seen as a contribution to the historical record, not as mere entertainment. So far they are winning over influential film critics. If you're thinking of giving them an award, Zero Dark Thirty is "history"; if you're a journalist asking a question about a factual error in the film, it's just a movie.
The critical acclaim Zero Dark Thirty is already receiving suggests that it may do what Karl Rove could not have done with all the money in the world: embed in the popular imagination the efficacy, even the necessity, of torture, despite available evidence to the contrary. Whatever the artistic merits of the film, that will be its moral legacy. That's quite an accomplishment, but not a journalistic one.
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DisgustipatedinCA
Dec 2012
#8
The ones that devised the torture regime, the ones that devised the legal
Luminous Animal
Dec 2012
#24
Why does it have to be Pro Obama at all ? it was a CIA mission that gathered the intelligence ?
former-republican
Dec 2012
#3
Because Jimmy Carter is atill paying for military helicopters that crashed in the Iranian desert.
TeamPooka
Dec 2012
#16
I've always thought that anybody with even the slightest connection to the torture program...
Lord Magus
Dec 2012
#6
Can you imagine the shit that O would have stirred if he had gone after the bush/cheney cabal
madokie
Dec 2012
#9
Just for the sake of discussion, the last sitting President to pose a threat to the CIA....
OldDem2012
Dec 2012
#10
Pretty soon the back story about the disgruntled CIA operative is going to get more coverage than
cherokeeprogressive
Dec 2012
#13
I saw "Zero Dark Thirty" tonight and finished reading the book 'No Easy Day' a few days ago.
Kablooie
Dec 2012
#15
In the movie, after the torture scenes, it does focus on the CIA Agent's Pursuit
Yavin4
Dec 2012
#23
The Movie Also Shows A Montage of Clips from Detainees (some of which are tortured)....
Yavin4
Dec 2012
#34
ZDT may do what Karl Rove could not have done with all the money in the world
Luminous Animal
Dec 2012
#21