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Luminous Animal

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21. ZDT may do what Karl Rove could not have done with all the money in the world
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 06:47 PM
Dec 2012

by Adam Sewer

http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-media/2012/12/zero-dark-thirty-osama-bin-laden-torture


Defenders of Bush-era enhanced interrogation waged a fierce public relations campaign to rehabilitate torture in the aftermath of the bin Laden killing, in part to award Bush credit for the raid. But the facts kept getting in the way. Jose Rodriguez, the former CIA official responsible for the destruction of videos recording the (ineffectual) torture of detainee Abu Zubayda, went on 60 Minutes and was unable to rebut the fact that alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed lied when questioned about bin Laden's courier, despite being tortured. The CIA inspector general found that "you could not in good conscience reach a definitive conclusion about whether any specific technique was especially effective, or [whether] the enhanced techniques in the aggregate really worked." Republicans are currently attempting to block a Senate intelligence committee investigation of the efficacy of so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques."

Someone attempting to make a "journalistic" feature film on the hunt for Osama bin Laden could be expected to be aware of all this. When Filkins asked Boal about the portrayal of torture departing from the known facts, he replied, "It's a movie, not a documentary." Bigelow and Boal want their film to be seen as a contribution to the historical record, not as mere entertainment. So far they are winning over influential film critics. If you're thinking of giving them an award, Zero Dark Thirty is "history"; if you're a journalist asking a question about a factual error in the film, it's just a movie.

The critical acclaim Zero Dark Thirty is already receiving suggests that it may do what Karl Rove could not have done with all the money in the world: embed in the popular imagination the efficacy, even the necessity, of torture, despite available evidence to the contrary. Whatever the artistic merits of the film, that will be its moral legacy. That's quite an accomplishment, but not a journalistic one.
Sounds interesting Sassie Lassie Dec 2012 #1
Ugh, pro-torture, another piece of apologist for war criminals propaganda. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #2
Which war criminals are you referencing from the movie? Be specific. nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #5
Why are you demanding information from this poster? Be specific. No, more specific than that. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #8
I would love to give Manning the credit he deserves. nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #20
The ones that devised the torture regime, the ones that devised the legal Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #24
Name them. nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #28
We all know many of the names of the architects, as for the rest... Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #32
Why does it have to be Pro Obama at all ? it was a CIA mission that gathered the intelligence ? former-republican Dec 2012 #3
Other Movies Slammed Clinton for not Killing OBL Yavin4 Dec 2012 #4
He's still President isn't he former-republican Dec 2012 #18
Especially since PBO had such Cha Jan 2013 #35
Because Jimmy Carter is atill paying for military helicopters that crashed in the Iranian desert. TeamPooka Dec 2012 #16
Everyone knows the President gave the order to take him out former-republican Dec 2012 #17
I've always thought that anybody with even the slightest connection to the torture program... Lord Magus Dec 2012 #6
Can you imagine the shit that O would have stirred if he had gone after the bush/cheney cabal madokie Dec 2012 #9
Just for the sake of discussion, the last sitting President to pose a threat to the CIA.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #10
+1 NealK Dec 2012 #26
Here's more about the Bush Crime Family.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #27
I thought it was a very good film. zappaman Dec 2012 #7
Yes. It's Very Well Made, But It's Still Propaganda Yavin4 Dec 2012 #11
The film version of '24" that didn't get made Warren Religion Dec 2012 #12
Pretty soon the back story about the disgruntled CIA operative is going to get more coverage than cherokeeprogressive Dec 2012 #13
When is she gonna do a romantic comedy? Jeez... n/t dogknob Dec 2012 #14
I saw "Zero Dark Thirty" tonight and finished reading the book 'No Easy Day' a few days ago. Kablooie Dec 2012 #15
Sounds like their avoiding getting more complex about the politics... ellisonz Dec 2012 #19
In the movie, after the torture scenes, it does focus on the CIA Agent's Pursuit Yavin4 Dec 2012 #23
But they don't get useful info until they stop torturing the guy. Kablooie Dec 2012 #31
The Movie Also Shows A Montage of Clips from Detainees (some of which are tortured).... Yavin4 Dec 2012 #34
ZDT may do what Karl Rove could not have done with all the money in the world Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #21
I could tell that.. sendero Dec 2012 #22
Wouldn't wast a penny on this movie! nt DearHeart Dec 2012 #25
I have read too... ShadesOfBlue Dec 2012 #29
I won't watch this propaganda film alarimer Dec 2012 #30
Glenn Greenwald was not a fan. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #33
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