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mucifer

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7. We need to ration more. Not every 80 year old with metastatic endstage cancer should be offered a

Reply to jody (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:58 PM

Dec 2012

ventilator and months in the ICU for their final days. That's what's happening in our system now and that's NOT what happens in a lot of single payer countries.

Sorry, we need some rationing. Doctors and patients and families need lots of education on end of life care. That in the long run (and maybe the short run) would save us billions.

A bigger issue is it could save a lot of suffering.

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Krugman: It’s Health Care Costs, Stupid [View all] ProSense Dec 2012 OP

Not only are their stupid vouchers inadequate Warpy Dec 2012 #1

Ice Flows and Eskimos time... WCGreen Dec 2012 #13

Krugman avoids answering whether competition should be allowed to set prices or govt. will take over jody Dec 2012 #2

Who exactly ProSense Dec 2012 #3

Krugman addresses cost of health care. That becomes an issue under socialism when the state is jody Dec 2012 #4

You mean ProSense Dec 2012 #5

Interesting. Still rationing of health care is necessary and fraught with moral subtleties. I'm not jody Dec 2012 #6

Here: ProSense Dec 2012 #8

Thanks, I had already read that. nt jody Dec 2012 #10

you think healthcare is not "rationed" now? Skittles Dec 2012 #14

I never said that but so what? nt jody Dec 2012 #16

We need to ration more. Not every 80 year old with metastatic endstage cancer should be offered a mucifer Dec 2012 #7

Yes stopwastingmymoney Dec 2012 #9

I agree. frostfern Dec 2012 #11

I really don't like your argument. n/t ProSense Dec 2012 #12

nice generalization of baby boomers Skittles Dec 2012 #15

I think the end of life discussion should be brought up as soon as the prognosis is known. mucifer Dec 2012 #17

It should be between people and their doctors ProSense Dec 2012 #18

Kids can live on and on unresponsive in the ICU also. It's the same thing. mucifer Dec 2012 #19

"when given the choice" ProSense Dec 2012 #20

I don't really believe that is true in all cases. mucifer Dec 2012 #21

You're ProSense Dec 2012 #22

I've seen some cases where I really don't care who it is, but someone should say "no". mucifer Dec 2012 #23