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limpyhobbler

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43. There has never been a more clear cut case of private profit trumping human need.
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:58 PM
Dec 2012

It does take some dirty energy during the transition to clean energy.

But likewise it also takes a big amount oil to expand the fossil fuel infrastructure.

We have some budget of dirty fuel that we can burn, and instead of using that to build clean energy for the switch, instead we are using it accelerate dirty energy exports to record levels.

That's a choice. The top guy making the choice is Obama. That's why his energy policy sucks.

Which requires more fossil fuel use: building solar panels, or drilling oil wells in the Arctic Ocean? Think about how much fuel it takes to access extreme fossil fuels like deep water offshore oil, tar sands, and fracked shale gas.

Look at all the billions that have been spent in the last 4 years on new infrastructure to allow us to access more and more dirty energy.

Think of all the money that has got into building infrastructure for the shale gas fracking boom. What if an equal amount had been spent on infrastructure for solar power instead? Where would we be now? How much have they spent on all the new pipes? I guess billions. How much have they spent on advertising campaigns to convince the public it is safe? I guess in the billions. What a waste.

For all that investment, we could have made a big leap forward to clean power generation by now.

I feel nobody can honestly deny that these decisions are being made based on what benefits the private profit of the fossil fuel companies, and not on what benefits people. There has never been a more clear cut case of private profit trumping human need.

We should seize all fossil fuel industry profits to end the money incentive for accelerating fossil fuels. The government is not able to make sound policy to protect the public as long as oil companies are allowed to give money to politicians and spread lies on the TV.

You are correct that we can not abruptly stop drilling. That would be nuts. But as long as we let people make billions of dollars from drilling, and those people give money to politicians to set policy, and they run ads to sell their lies, there are money incentives to drill despite whatever is really best for people.

We have a certain amount of dirty energy budget that we can burn and beyond that we risk altering the earth so badly that people will have to start doing some extreme and undignified things to survive. If we burn all the oil Exxon is planning on it will put us well past what we can afford to burn.

We can't afford not to make big changes. We are moving too slow in this transition. Part of the reason is because oil companies make big profits and give money to politicians to set energy policy, and also spread lies on TV.

We should seize all oil, coal and gas profits and invest all the money in clean energy. This solution is obvious. Obama should have proposed a version of this by now, even a watered-down version.

UNfortunately Drill Baby Drill is Now a Major Driver Iggy Dec 2012 #1
If we went all out for clean energy AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #2
Totally Agree... Iggy Dec 2012 #4
The president of 200 million automobile drivers doesn't have much of a choice bhikkhu Dec 2012 #3
He can start talking about it AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #6
Didn't he just mention it again at his acceptance speech? And at the DNC convention? JaneyVee Dec 2012 #14
Yes, he said one paragraph at the convention, and one sentence in his acceptance speech AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #21
So far, the President has not led on this issue... polichick Dec 2012 #5
He hiked the royalty rate for drilling on public land, first time since the 20's bhikkhu Dec 2012 #8
Vast amounts of electricity can be stores using huge flywheels AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #30
It's not that he isn't moving incrementally in the right direction... polichick Dec 2012 #39
Bingo AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #41
I have to think that he was worried about reelection... polichick Dec 2012 #42
K&R MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #7
I think CthulhusEvilCousin Dec 2012 #9
it is to late to wait. MFM008 Dec 2012 #17
Panic? Do you have children? Have you read any of the scientific predictions on what will happen? AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #22
He's in a fair way of being remembered pscot Dec 2012 #10
What doesn't the poster understand about "We're on the brink of a Second Great Depression"? Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #11
Actually, Obama does promote "clean coal". progressoid Dec 2012 #16
There is no such thing as clean coal AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #24
yup. progressoid Dec 2012 #27
I don't think campaign speeches indicate "promotion." Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #31
I have said nothing about abruptly doing anything BUT AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #23
This is my pet issue, altho I'm not an activist. Well, the environment in total is my issue. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #32
He needs to get the public on board, using the bully pulpit. It is his duty to lead on this. AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #38
Well, I can't argue w/you about that. He seems not to use the bully pulpit very well for anything. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #44
Of course he does. woo me with science Dec 2012 #12
In all fairness, we don't have a power storage technology to leave oil behind, yet. pediatricmedic Dec 2012 #13
....and wind still kills a LOT of birds. : ( rDigital Dec 2012 #15
Overall, wind energy has the least impact on wildlife with the possible exception of solar. progressoid Dec 2012 #18
Those are some sad statistics. NCarolinawoman Dec 2012 #19
I love my cats too, good thing they are indoors and not snacking on birdies! Thanks for the rDigital Dec 2012 #20
I have one cat that catches them, brings them in and lets them go in the house AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #26
There is no storage problems with geothermal power plants. Kaleva Dec 2012 #25
What geothermal power plants? bhikkhu Dec 2012 #33
I agree with an all the above policy Kaleva Dec 2012 #36
Convert all bomb factories to solar panel factories now. limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #28
"Obama is hitting the gas when he should be hitting the brake" bhikkhu Dec 2012 #34
We could instantly create millions of jobs in solar, wind, geothermal, limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #35
Say you build a giant wind farm, for instance bhikkhu Dec 2012 #37
There has never been a more clear cut case of private profit trumping human need. limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #43
Due to Obama's policies, natural gas has dropped from $8/ mcf to $/3 mcf farmbo Dec 2012 #29
As you can see from this thread, Global Warming is just a PR problem..... Junkdrawer Dec 2012 #40
K&R woo me with science Dec 2012 #45
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