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TheKentuckian

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42. Back when the whole effort started, it was a big push in math
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 07:11 PM
Dec 2012

with a secondary push in science.

We had slipped out of the top 5 or 10 and had fallen a couple of notches in hard science.

The slippage that was there was probably due to advancement of other countries in rather than actual loss of ground and the inability to maintain ahead of the curb were probably investment and curriculum flaws.

Ancient books, catering to religious fuckwits, anti-science noise in textbooks, little early development on those subjects at early and more developmental ages while our kids were doing adding and subtraction others were entering advanced mathematics because they started school earlier and got beyond the shapes and colors stages much quicker.
Our kids (us) started late and then seldom would catch up in hard sciences and maths unless they were naturally gifted or at least heavily inclined because most critically due to lack of exposer, repetition, materials, access, and development.
This was exacerbated by differences in fundamental structure of education that doesn't compare apples to apples. Many countries weed kids out of the field and move them to different tracks others had many excluded for many other reasons, particularly the ability to pay eliminating the most difficult demographic.

We also cannot ignore that even the absurdly dealt with solutions were to a fake problem based on cooked numbers due to a world wide education shock doctrine beyond national structural differences. There has been a lot of just what we see here going on for a long time, particularly in emerging economies with the testing and sample cherry picking to reach predetermined results, I believe in pursuit of controlling that chunk of resources globally and dictating the flow of knowledge and opportunity to the masses among other beneficial to a few considerations.

Weren't we leaving this up to teachers until we saw things sliding? dkf Dec 2012 #1
No. The teachers have always been left out of the reform game. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #3
But why did it need to be reformed? dkf Dec 2012 #8
Becuase silhouete2 Dec 2012 #11
It doesn't. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #12
+100,000 gollygee Dec 2012 #14
Bingo! We have a winner! lolly Dec 2012 #17
Because there's money in that, or because someone thought kids were learning the 'wrong' things Posteritatis Dec 2012 #13
People (and corporations) saw the giant revenue stream and wanted to get in on it. SharonAnn Dec 2012 #22
Bullshit we were "leaving it up to teachers" for a long time. That's never liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #4
But our spending is outsized compared to other countries. dkf Dec 2012 #10
Watch this: proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #16
We never were behind. knitter4democracy Dec 2012 #27
True catrose Dec 2012 #31
How the banks that bought factories and companies JDPriestly Dec 2012 #5
You have my vote for best response! Tumbulu Dec 2012 #26
Thank you JDPriestly! n/t truedelphi Dec 2012 #53
When was it ever left up to teachers? gollygee Dec 2012 #6
Who else is there? Administrators? dkf Dec 2012 #19
Politicians gollygee Dec 2012 #21
That is the downside of bad performance. You open it up to bad fixes. dkf Dec 2012 #28
I didn't say bad performance started it gollygee Dec 2012 #38
1. ELECTED OFFICIALS proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #23
There was a time when our schools were the best. dkf Dec 2012 #29
We're in the top three worldwide proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #45
What particular time period are you talking about? Mariana Dec 2012 #49
You are repeating myths. roody Dec 2012 #51
UH--- silhouete2 Dec 2012 #9
+1 proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #15
Welcome to DU, silhouete2! And thank you for this post. calimary Dec 2012 #20
No that can't be the main problem. dkf Dec 2012 #25
Most of what you mention are problems of the fix. dkf Dec 2012 #24
It was mentioned above. wcast Dec 2012 #36
Back when the whole effort started, it was a big push in math TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #42
Okay that is the best explanation I have seen by far. dkf Dec 2012 #44
Some of the problem is that everything isn't as cut and dry as you'd like to make it silhouete2 Dec 2012 #43
I might accept your explanation if I didn't see how well Asian immigrants do in Hawaii. dkf Dec 2012 #47
I think you proved my point silhouete2 Dec 2012 #48
Seriously? Curmudgeoness Dec 2012 #18
Teachers have never been in charge. knitter4democracy Dec 2012 #30
Geez then what are we arguing about if teachers have never been in charge. dkf Dec 2012 #33
Yup. Schools have always been the scapegoat. knitter4democracy Dec 2012 #35
The perfect decided they knew better. Igel Dec 2012 #34
I think it began with your heart throb Ronald Reagan. GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #37
administration is the bane of teaching. I can't go to my favorite restaurant roguevalley Dec 2012 #41
What did you see sliding? roody Dec 2012 #50
What changed it was Republicans pushing to privatize Education and a lot of people jumped sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #52
Amen. I grew up with teacher parents liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #2
Fixing sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #7
Drink the kool aid Danang1968 Dec 2012 #32
One of the last big pools of capital to privatize, public education funding Coyotl Dec 2012 #39
k&r Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #40
I am disgusted with how teachers are treated in this country obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #46
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